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  1. Joined : Nov 2013
    Toronto
    Posts : 4,288
    Win 10 Pro x64
       03 Nov 2014 #21

    Winuser said: View Post
    Until Windows 10 goes final I'm going to use Windows Defender. When Windows 10 is officially released I'll decide if I want to stay with Defender or go with Eset Smart Security. So far Microsoft is doing a good job of keeping Defender updated.

    That's because I think MS is manipulating defender so they can access our W10 computers. But it doesn't matter. I don't use W10 for sensitive tasks.
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  2. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 4,469
    Windows 10 Pro
       03 Nov 2014 #22

    badrobot said: View Post
    That's because I think MS is manipulating defender so they can access our W10 computers. But it doesn't matter. I don't use W10 for sensitive tasks.
    Windows TP is definitely not the OS to use for personal or sensitive info.
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  3.    08 Nov 2014 #23

    Winuser said: View Post
    badrobot said: View Post
    That's because I think MS is manipulating defender so they can access our W10 computers. But it doesn't matter. I don't use W10 for sensitive tasks.
    Windows TP is definitely not the OS to use for personal or sensitive info.
    Hi there

    Not wishing to get into the realms of whether W10 is safe enough to use on personal computers yet I fail to see how ANY AV program can protect you against yourself giving your personal data away freely - for example even signing up to a Ms account you've passed data on to the net by a perfectly legitimate request -- How does an AV program distinguish between a "legitimate" request and a "rogue" one.

    What is "Malware" - if you think that Malware is simply stopping annoying programs for example chucking up popups then you will be disappointed - A lot of these programs -- irritating in the extreme that they are are working totally within the standard Windows operating environment just like any other "behaved" application program -- so how does a "malware" preventer stop it -- Of course it Can't but the companies who supply these products prey on people's lack of knowledge and get them to install stuff that has NO EARTHLY MERIT WHATSOEVER.

    As I've often re-iterated in these Formus that as far as HOME users is concerned the whole area of A/V programs and "Malware" blockers is 100% full of total Bovine Scatology (B/S in plain English).

    Get yourself a DECENT FIREWALL, Block all your ports (in and outbound) except for the ones you specifically have to use and ensure the firewall only lets those applications through, check very carefully when downloading stuff that you are actually downloading the file you want - websites are very good at confusing people with all sorts of green arrows etc hiding the real link, don't open email attachments from people you don't know, only download files with proper extensions from torrents such as .mp4/.mp3 etc, and use your machine sensibly.

    If you follow these simple rules and just have the standard Ms Windows defender then you will be 100% safe.

    Most people these days aren't infected by viruses but get scammed in all sorts of other ways which aren't "protectable" in any shape or form by Software no matter how clever the program says it is.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4. Joined : Jun 2014
    Posts : 4,469
    Windows 10 Pro
       08 Nov 2014 #24

    When we downloaded Windows 10 we agreed to allow Microsoft to monitor our computer use. That is why I said Windows TP was not the OS to use for personal or sensitive info. I do agree that AV programs are not 100% guaranteed to protect our computers and info. They are not 100% useless either. I would rather have some protection than no protection just in case. My seatbelts are not 100% guaranteed to save my life in a accident but I still use them.
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  5.    10 Nov 2014 #25

    TairikuOkami said: View Post
    Well, malware is considered to be everything except viruses, not exclusively, so basically you should have a firewall, antivirus and antimalware, but most antiviruses can handle both like Windows Defender, even the definition states: "Malware includes computer viruses, worms, trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, scareware, and other malicious programs." Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware are pretty much in the same category. It does not hurt to have both, even though SuperAntiSpyware is falling behind lately, so you can loose it calmly, Malwarebytes is good enough.
    I compleatly agree as i have said before a lot of anti virus software free or otherwise have let me down in the past and malwarebytes always seems to cure most most repairs i have done to other ussers machines even when they have been using them with no AV at all.
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  6. Joined : Nov 2014
    Warren, MI
    Posts : 224
    W10 Pro/W7 Pro 64-bit
       17 Nov 2014 #26

    I got infected with a browser hijacker yesterday, Defender didn't defend. MBAM found a bunch of problems but didn't fix the issue. It got to the point where browsing was impossible. Had to restore a Paragon PHVD backup which I luckily made earlier.
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  7. Joined : Nov 2013
    Toronto
    Posts : 4,288
    Win 10 Pro x64
       17 Nov 2014 #27

    A browser hi-jacker is something that a user installs mostly by accident. Something that a regular AV cannot stop. That's the best solution you did there. Sometimes it takes a lot more time to try to fix it. Image restoration is faster and easier to do.
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  8. Joined : Nov 2014
    Warren, MI
    Posts : 224
    W10 Pro/W7 Pro 64-bit
       17 Nov 2014 #28

    badrobot said: View Post
    A browser hi-jacker is something that a user installs mostly by accident. Something that a regular AV cannot stop. That's the best solution you did there. Sometimes it takes a lot more time to try to fix it. Image restoration is faster and easier to do.
    It is unwanted software in a sense which is what an AV claims to prevent. I wonder if restoring a system point would have have done the same trick? It really doesn't remove it from the system just removes it from the installed list.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 6,971
    All kinds
       22 Nov 2014 #29

    Well, scratch Bitdeffender, just stopped working, uninstalled it and WD still would not work automatically, it's service stayed on manual.
    Got AVG now, just as on W8.1.
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  10. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,937
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       22 Nov 2014 #30

    CountMike said: View Post
    Well, scratch Bitdeffender, just stopped working, uninstalled it and WD still would not work automatically, it's service stayed on manual.
    Got AVG now, just as on W8.1.
    I found that out as well. And I gave up on all third party AV's for now. I know that they will work just fine when the final version of Win10 comes out next year so for now I'll just stick with Defender.

    Jeff..
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