Will paid antivirus be enough when Win10 support ends?

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  1. Posts : 7,895
    Windows 11 Pro 64 bit
       #11

    For security when Windows 10 support ends I recommend you either upgrade to a PC supporting Windows 11 or force the Windows 11 upgrade on supposedly unsupported hardware which is easy to do.
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  2. Posts : 16,913
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #12

    Majulook said:
    If you are going to use Windows 10 after its EOL date. At the very least you should stop using Defender and get some other AV solution that will at least be updated.
    There is no reason to think that Defender updates will stop.
    Updated - There is no reason to think that Defender definition updates will stop.


    Denis
    Last edited by Try3; 06 Apr 2023 at 08:59.
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  3. Posts : 15,479
    Windows10
       #13

    Try3 said:
    There is no reason to think that Defender updates will stop.

    Denis
    Whilst 99% sure you are right when it comes to virus updates for example, there is a sort of Windows 7 precedent.

    With Windows 7, MS Security Essentials (Defenders distant ancestor) still gets updates for existing users until end of 2023 (3 years past EOL).

    So I whilst I would not expect Defender updates to stop immediately, it probably will stop eventually sometime later after EOL - maybe around 2028?


    However, it remains to be seen what happens if Defender is impacted by an issue which need an update to core programming of Windows 10 but that is no different to any 3rd party package.
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  4. Posts : 16,913
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #14

    Well, to focus on some portion of the 1%,
    cereberus said:
    With Windows 7, MS Security Essentials (Defenders distant ancestor) still gets updates for existing users until end of 2023 (3 years past EOL).
    So I whilst I would not expect Defender updates to stop immediately, it probably will stop eventually sometime later after EOL - maybe around 2028?
    The difference between Defender & MSSE is that Defender is in use by a supported OS, Windows 11.

    I should have been more precise though. There is no reason to think that Defender definition updates will stop.


    All the best,
    Denis
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  5. Posts : 15,479
    Windows10
       #15

    Try3 said:
    Well, to focus on some portion of the 1%,


    The difference between Defender & MSSE is that Defender is in use by a supported OS, Windows 11.
    I should have been more precise though. There is no reason to think that Defender definition updates will stop.


    All the best,
    Denis
    Yeah sure but question was about Windows 10. I am sure definition updates will continue but any Defender core changes may not happen past EOL.

    Point is we do not really know if MS will support even definition updates long term for W10.

    We can speculate as long as W11 gets definition updates, so will W10. However without comparing format of definition updates for W10 and W11, can we be certain they are identical?
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  6. Posts : 16,913
    Windows 10 Home x64 Version 22H2 Build 19045.4170
       #16

    cereberus said:
    ... without comparing format of definition updates for W10 and W11, can we be certain they are identical?
    Yes.

    There are no separate Windows 10, Windows 11 Defender definition update downloads in
    latest definitions - download lists page
    Will paid antivirus be enough when Win10 support ends?-microsoft-defender-antivirus-windows-11-windows-10-windows-8.1-windows-server.png
    so the definition updates are identical.


    Denis
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       #17

    Malneb said:
    I hope sources are wrong on the windows release timeline why tf are they thinking that windows 12 is going to come out in 2024? and not really sure why Microsoft thinks this is a good idea either if this is the case. it is speculation at this time so they could be wrong.

    Three year cycle of updating the OS does not sound fun to me like they need to just make the end all be all windows OS they did say that XP was the last operating system i remember them saying it back at the time. Really like there is no reason not to and they can just keep updating it because why not the logic works in my head.
    that win12 is planed for end of 2024 can be one out of two things. 1.They know win11 is a vista flop.. 2.They want to release an AI based OS before Apple or Google.
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  8. Posts : 1,203
    Windows 10
       #18

    well i fell like those people saying windows 12 coming out in 2024 are wrong because they don't know. Major OS changes were on a timeline like this back around XP and we had XP for 8 years not 3 its just that it had service packs roughly every 3 years.

    We got to service pack 3 which was the final one and it was 8 years after XP started so yeah roughly 3 year timeline.

    with windows 10 it has been a couple big revisions on a yearly timeline. I guess they just want to go back to 3 years because 10 and 11 are not to far from each other except GUI and some more modern features they are probably running out of ideas.
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       #19

    Malneb said:
    well i fell like those people saying windows 12 coming out in 2024 are wrong because they don't know. Major OS changes were on a timeline like this back around XP and we had XP for 8 years not 3 its just that it had service packs roughly every 3 years.

    We got to service pack 3 which was the final one and it was 8 years after XP started so yeah roughly 3 year timeline.

    with windows 10 it has been a couple big revisions on a yearly timeline. I guess they just want to go back to 3 years because 10 and 11 are not to far from each other except GUI and some more modern features they are probably running out of ideas.
    Windows Vista was released in January 2007 and windows 7 in October 2009.. so i think it is possible for win12 in the end of 2024.

    and if it is true, that they will implement AI in win12 it has to be a new base, so it wont just be an up roll as win10 has been from day1 to now... and 11's base is win10. just some more functions and fancier clothing.
    But i should be a bit careful about comparing win10 and 11 as i have not totally ripped them apart yet.. but of the little i have looked at them it seems similar.
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  10. Posts : 1,203
    Windows 10
       #20

    Vista ended in 2012 and had extended support until 2017. It was a failed operation they spent a lot of downtime in development and released a sub par product as result.

    Time line does not really matter across OS because they ship a new one each time for different reasons. Vista was a steppingstone and 8 was pretty much the same. Vista mainly because it was bad from the get go. I liked Vista but i did not really like 8 that much.

    11 sounds like its going to be a stepping stone as well but the thing is its speculation at this point so they don't actually know.

    I don't really know either so this is my speculation they feel like they need to release a new OS at a certain threshold because they would have to show investors what they are doing and a new OS is an easy way to achieve that in turn there is no reason why they cannot just stick with a OS already and keep innovating that.
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