Can we really trust freeware that has no paid version?

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    Can we really trust freeware that has no paid version?


    So guys, my question personally regards 7zip but it can apply to every other piece of software that's distributed by the developer for free and does not feature a paid version or any other known legit means of profit.
    I have this thing installed and now that I need to do some banking I wonder whether I have compromised my system with it. I know there are some fans who will jump up straight to simply assure 'It's safe, don't worry', but let's ponder and reason.

    Like, why would some programmer who has invested their time to create a piece of software would share their work totally free without even trying to monetize it? For windows developers, no matter if it's a single individual or a big corporation, the common business model is to release a free version with limited functionality (or just a free trial of the full one) and a paid one. And on mobile platforms it's ads, then in-app paid extra features. These make sense but just giving away?

    I looked up 7zip specifically, what can I dig up about it and came across two forum posts
    1 and 2 about it being flagged as trojan by AVG, then MBAM. Then others stepped in to insist these must be false positives.

    I don't know... Can the dev just be a total altruist and already a millionaire working for the good of humankind? Does anyone know anything about that guy Igor Pavlov?
    It's not impossible for a developer to launch a product free of charge and count on exploiting users' systems instead of hoping enough clients show up to pay even a small sum of money over it... And maybe an executable that's manually installed by unsuspecting users (you know, most ppl out there still use admin accounts, in fact I still do, even though I've long heard that I shouldn't - you can spare me a lecture on that, it will go off-topic) will be harder to scan for AV programs than a typical virus that works it's way on it's own in the background.

    So I'm interested to see arguments. Shall we really trust even popular freeware without any means of profit shown or stay away from it like fire..?
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  2. Posts : 8,112
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    Freeware has been around for donkeys years like firefox and many high profile products like gimp not everyone sees £signs in their work
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  3. Posts : 50
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    Thread Starter
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    Right, I know that. I can only wonder how do these ppl then pay their bills...
    Actually I've been wondering about Firefox a while ago, but now we know that companies behind browsers can monetize consumer data by selling it to advertising corporations. So browsers are a special category that has it's own business model. But what about the rest of freeware?
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    bgbrother said:
    Actually I've been wondering about Firefox a while ago, but now we know that companies behind browsers can monetize consumer data by selling it to advertising corporations.
    Firefox denies it in Mozilla’s Data Privacy FAQ
    How Mozilla Firefox And Google Chrome Make Money makes no such allegation about Firefox.


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  5. Posts : 16,973
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    If you distrust anybody who does anything for nothing then you cannot trust any replies to your question.

    Denis
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    Try3 said:
    Firefox denies it in Mozilla’s Data Privacy FAQ
    How Mozilla Firefox And Google Chrome Make Money makes no such allegation about Firefox.
    Denis
    I read this through and the key take is that Mozilla's revenue is being paid by Google for putting Google search as default search engine. Alright, this makes sense - at least they don't need to hijack users machines for cryptomining or whatever. Privacy is one thing, that especially concerns browsers, security is something else - universal for all software.
    Glad I learned about browsers, then what about rest of freeware though?

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    Try3 said:
    If you distrust anybody who does anything for nothing then you cannot trust any replies to your question.

    Denis
    We can distort this into a philosophical discussion but it won't do much good I think.
    I guess setting up a piece of software from scratch with elaborate encrypting and decrypting algorithms (or visuals like Gimp that someone mentioned) takes quite a lot more time and effort than dropping a forum reply...
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    Try3 said:
    If you distrust anybody who does anything for nothing then you cannot trust any replies to your question.
    Denis
    I agree!

    If the OP wants the one true answer to the question, send me $5 and I will provide it!
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    strollin said:
    I agree!
    Right, a lowest-effort lazy one-word reply can compare to coding encrypto-compressing or graphic editing software. It totally makes sense.
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  9. Posts : 2,662
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       #9

    Huh? What the H are you going on about?
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  10. Posts : 31,779
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    bgbrother said:
    ...what about rest of freeware though?

    There are altruistic people that believe software should be free and open source.

    The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization founded by Richard Stallman on October 4, 1985, to support the free software movement, which promotes the universal freedom to study, distribute, create, and modify computer software,
    Free Software Foundation - Wikipedia

    For 7-Zip specifically, it is Open Source software published under the LGPL license. You can read through its source code if you really want to check how 'legit' it is.

    7-Zip is free software with open source. The most of the code is under the GNU LGPL license. Some parts of the code are under the BSD 3-clause License. Also there is unRAR license restriction for some parts of the code. Read 7-Zip License information.
    7-Zip
    The GNU Lesser General Public License (LGPL) is a free-software license published by the Free Software Foundation (FSF). The license allows developers and companies to use and integrate a software component released under the LGPL into their own (even proprietary) software without being required by the terms of a strong copyleft license to release the source code of their own components. However, any developer who modifies an LGPL-covered component is required to make their modified version available under the same LGPL license.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Le...Public_License
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