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    Try3 said: View Post
    I would like to pose one question that you must answer to yourself before you take any further action - "Why have anything other than Windows Defender?"Denis
    an excellent point Denis. The only thing that 'scares' me is that its Microsoft. They have been accused of selling info in the past to advertisers.
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    I appreciate that all software publishers now try to sell anonymised user data and my own primary concern about that is in its use of my limited internet data allowance. Other than that, once it's anonymised they can do whatever they like with it.

    The data MS collect can be constrained to some extent using Settings, Privacy. I'd bet that using or not using WD would not make a blind bit of difference to what is collected - they provide the entire OS so one extra bit seems insignificant when it comes to data made available to them.

    Similarly, if you were to chose an alternative then you would be subject to their attempts to collect your data.

    Denis
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    Perhaps another advantage to consider with Windows Defender is that it is already integrated into the system. With 3rd party tools there is always the risk of software or hardware conflicts, bugs due to whatever update from Windows etc.

    Another forum member here, jimbo45, consistently maintains that, for home users, WD provides more than adequate protection.
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    elbmek said: View Post
    My Kaspersky Total Security 2019 runs out end May but they want nearly double what I paid last time, so shopping around.

    I know everyone has preferences but what I am looking at is Effectiveness/Price/Users. Those that I have looked at are comparable in price to KIS, and some more expensive. On principle I want to tell Kaspersky to go away. McAfee gives multi user licence but at a cost of approx £89 a year; Kaspersky want £120 approx for 2 years. which is almost double what I paid 2 years ago.

    Final point: just how good is Microsoft Defender?
    Every year Ive always checked Currys and Argos online...Ive never paid more than £20 for McAfee Internet Security. Try that first. At the moment though Im using Windows Defender and Im perfectly happy with it. I use weekly Malwarebytes Free scans too. Ive had no issues with this method
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    elbmek said: View Post
    The only thing that 'scares' me is that its Microsoft. They have been accused of selling info in the past to advertisers.
    If you are concerned about data, then your options are even more limited, since every AV sends data, though some send less, like Emsisoft. This review is a bit old, but still valid, if anything, it is even worse now.

    Is Your Antivirus Tracking You? Youd Be Surprised At What It Sends
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    elbmek,

    By the way, a couple of years ago I worked my way through several of the common AV applications so I could make up my own mind about them. Whilst sites such as avtest can be used to assess technical aspects of their behaviour, I was keen to discover how I got on with them in practice.

    I tried these [paid versions, for at least a month each]

    Bitdefender
    Kaspersky
    McAfee
    Norton

    and I discovered that

    1 They were not as easy to use as WD - which is pretty much install & forget apart from its periodic nags about how long I delay sleep for on battery power
    2 They caused unexpected limitations that were only diagnosed after thorough investigation [one, just by way of example, refused to allow me to connect to WU through the built-in WiFi adapter but was fine with a USB one I connected and was fine with the built-in one for all other sites - yet it produced no explanation that it was responsible for the blockage so I had to start off by investigating with nothing to go on.].
    3 Their boasts about specific capabilities were all associated with awkwardness - either setting them up or using them routinely was awkward [or both]
    4 Their AV malware definition updates could not readily be controlled - I inhibit WU and my WD updates are run by TS tasks twice a day but I only managed to set up an equivalent task for KIS.
    5 Whilst most used only 1MB a day for updates, Bitdefender used a minimum** of 1GB a month in updates for each computer** you have because it replaces entire modules instead of just adding in new bits. I discussed this with their support group who said this was to improve its speed of response and to strengthen its resistance to hacking. This means BT is not suitable for anybody with a limited internet data allowance.
    {** If updates are not constrained to once a day then the data usage can quickly rise to 3GB a month or more. There is no method of sharing updates across your local network, each computer needs to download them directly from BT's website.}
    6 Not a single one of them did anything to persuade me that I would be better off with them rather than WD.

    So the posts in which I have encouraged you to consider WD are not based on ignorance or blind prejudice.

    All the best,
    Denis
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  7.    #17

    For standard users (no torrents, nefarious sites) WD should be fine... with it's telemetry, they are gaining from other AV users so should be rock-solid ( not so sure about zero-day infections as they may well just be after-the-fact) but still... they will rather block everything.. even your mother-in-law.. that's good.... right?

    Anyway I'm happy with Kasper and Comodo as first line defence.
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  8.    #18

    Thank you everyone for some excellent advice and opinions. I have gone down the Defender route. KTS still had 30 days to run but I thought that those 30 days can be used to run, and monitor Defender. As so many of you online trust Defender, I now see no reason why I should not. Thank you all again.
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    elbmek said: View Post
    Thank you everyone for some excellent advice and opinions. I have gone down the Defender route. KTS still had 30 days to run but I thought that those 30 days can be used to run, and monitor Defender. As so many of you online trust Defender, I now see no reason why I should not. Thank you all again.
    That's exactly what I decided to do last year after many years of using McAfee. Windows Defender had started to get good reviews on AV sites so I decided to bite the bullet and try it. Ive had no regrets whatsoever. Every now and again I run a Malwarebytes manual scan (the free version..not the real time version) to see if Windows Defender is letting any malware through. So far Malwarebytes hasn't found any malware at all that Windows Defender hasnt already identified.
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    sportsfan148 said: View Post
    Every year Ive always checked Currys and Argos online...Ive never paid more than £20 for McAfee Internet Security. Try that first. At the moment though Im using Windows Defender and Im perfectly happy with it. I use weekly Malwarebytes Free scans too. Ive had no issues with this method
    Talking about malwarebytes. I had to take my purchased copy off because it clashed with advanced system care and kept quarantining it. There was a dispute a couple of years ago because MWB accused Iobit of pinching their databases. It was supposedly settled between themselves but MWB still refuses to let it run. The last time it did this, over a year ago, Iobit told me to 'white list' them in MWB, I did and it made no difference. Until they settle their differences MWB has to go as ASC is a paid up version and still has 11 months to run. The pro version of ASC is damn good.

    Defender is running well, I check it every couple of days and all is green. Maybe I dont even need MWB now??
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