Windows 10: WD.... is it really that bad...?

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  1. AndreTen's Avatar
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       22 Jun 2018 #31

    Bree said: View Post
    The 'bad things' eLPuSHeR was thinking of were not viruses, rather the 3rd-party AV causing a Features Update to fail. Avira in particular has a track record of doing that.
    That's exactly what I was thinking of. And WD caused some trouble to users, too. Protected folders is just one thing.

    To make myself clear: think MS has done a great job in last few years, WD is on the right way, but there are other, free and paid, AV solutions you can rely on.
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  2.    23 Jun 2018 #32

    Bree said: View Post
    The 'bad things' eLPuSHeR was thinking of were not viruses, rather the 3rd-party AV causing a Features Update to fail. Avira in particular has a track record of doing that.
    Yes. I was thinking about system unstability mostly and issues upgrading Windows itself.
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  3.    23 Jun 2018 #33

    I just opened a page and guess what:
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    The page is: Consistent Motherboard (CMB-945) CONSISTENT If using another AV, try to open it.
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  4. Barman58's Avatar
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       23 Jun 2018 #34

    Mike,

    Just accessed the link you gave and my Bitdefender Pro gives it a Green Light ( literally as I have the Traffic light option enabled in the browser)
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  5.    23 Jun 2018 #35

    Barman58 said: View Post
    Mike,

    Just accessed the link you gave and my Bitdefender Pro gives it a Green Light ( literally as I have the Traffic light option enabled in the browser)
    So that would mean that WD has more options ? PUA (Potentially Unwanted Application) detection.
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  6. essenbe's Avatar
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       23 Jun 2018 #36

    CountMike said: View Post
    So that would mean that WD has more options ? PUA (Potentially Unwanted Application) detection.
    Mike, I wouldn't think so. I opened the page and received no warnings. I run ESET Smart Security Premium and the Pro versions of MB and SAS all of which have PUA and PUP detection.
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  7.    23 Jun 2018 #37

    essenbe said: View Post
    Mike, I wouldn't think so. I opened the page and received no warnings. I run ESET Smart Security Premium and the Pro versions of MB and SAS all of which have PUA and PUP detection.
    Well, this was more like accident, tried to find data about a motherboard. Malwarebytes didn't raise alarm, only WD did. All got contained before anything got in. I could disable WD but don't want to risk it since Mbam didn't see it.
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  8. essenbe's Avatar
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       23 Jun 2018 #38

    No, I would never disable an AV to visit a page. That's why you use an AV. There are some applications most AV's will hit on that are legit. They hit on them because of what they are. We sometimes use apps that will bypass passwords or change them for example. AV's will hit on that, which is a good thing. Under normal circumstances, you would not want an app like that on your PC.
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  9.    23 Jun 2018 #39

    essenbe said: View Post
    No, I would never disable an AV to visit a page. That's why you use an AV. There are some applications most AV's will hit on that are legit. They hit on them because of what they are. We sometimes use apps that will bypass passwords or change them for example. AV's will hit on that, which is a good thing. Under normal circumstances, you would not want an app like that on your PC.
    This isn't first time something like that happened and it was always clean after WD finished with it. Such an inconspicuous site/page and so many problems.
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  10. Barman58's Avatar
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       23 Jun 2018 #40

    There is a major issue with PUP, PUA and all the other related TLAs

    The issue is that there is not standard list ,there are different opinions as to what executables are dangerous and how likely they are to be used in a way that could cause damage.

    Over the years I have built a collection of Admin Tools all of which could be used to irreparably damage a windows system - Some are flagged in some Security suites some are not, Its the same in other suites but the actual groups are different.

    It's a good case to flag anything and let the user decide especially if something is carried by another legitimate installation especially if it does not appear to have any direct use, the issue with this way of working is that the users can become either paranoid or complacent which results in a potentially more insecure setup

    I file all of my specialist Admin tools in a specific Store area which is excepted from checking and access it via WSCC - Windows System Control Center - Anything that I download and is flagged as Potentially dangerous is fully researched and if and when it passes the check is placed into the store area

    Oh one other thing, a well informed or totally ignorant user can do a lot of damage, (especially as the admin of their own system), with Windows File Manager or Notebook - Re these to be classed as Potentially unwanted dangerous applications
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