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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
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       02 Aug 2015 #31

    Superfly said: View Post
    Do you need it?... Well, I don't... the first thing I do on install is disable it gpedit.
    Thread Opener has the Home edition. I don't think that has gpedit enabled.

    The question might be asked "I have MSE and Defender on my system after upgrading to Win10. Which malware protection is recommended?"

    but... you did answer the question asked
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
    Michigan USA
    Posts : 193
    Windows 10 64-bit Home
       02 Aug 2015 #32

    This is interesting & I think I understand why MSE is still on my desktop. I have both a custom built PC & an HP laptop. I worked getting Win10 installed on my custom built desktop 1st.

    After hours of not being able to install I resorted to using the download tool to make a USB installer. After beginning the install I realized it was trying to do a clean install, not an upgrade. I canceled that & booted to the Win7 desktop & did an upgrade by picking the setup.exe from the USB drive while on the desktop. Yeah, I know it's confusing but I was able to upgrade so lets leave it at that instead of critiquing my install explanation.

    Meanwhile, my laptop was offering the upgrade from the Windows Update window which never happened on my desktop. I used WU for the laptop upgrade & DON'T have MSE installed on it.

    Not sure if that's the reason but it would seem likely. Just a thought.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
    Michigan USA
    Posts : 193
    Windows 10 64-bit Home
       02 Aug 2015 #33

    Superfly said: View Post
    Do you need it?... Well, I don't... the first thing I do on install is disable it gpedit.
    Slartybart said: View Post
    Thread Opener has the Home edition. I don't think that has gpedit enabled.

    The question might be asked "I have MSE and Defender on my system after upgrading to Win10. Which malware protection is recommended?"

    but... you did answer the question asked
    I'm not sure what gpedit is. It's not on my PC. It would be nice to remove MSE but not worth cause other odd issues. In time I'm sure there will be a removal tool developed.
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  4. Joined : Oct 2013
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       02 Aug 2015 #34

    GARoss said: View Post
    This is interesting & I think I understand why MSE is still on my desktop. I have both a custom built PC & an HP laptop. I worked getting Win10 installed on my custom built desktop 1st.

    After hours of not being able to install I resorted to using the download tool to make a USB installer. After beginning the install I realized it was trying to do a clean install, not an upgrade. I canceled that & booted to the Win7 desktop & did an upgrade by picking the setup.exe from the USB drive while on the desktop. Yeah, I know it's confusing but I was able to upgrade so lets leave it at that instead of critiquing my install explanation.

    Meanwhile, my laptop was offering the upgrade from the Windows Update window which never happened on my desktop. I used WU for the laptop upgrade & DON'T have MSE installed on it.

    Not sure if that's the reason but it would seem likely. Just a thought.
    No problem, it is an easy mistake to make (clean vs. upgrade).

    If you successfully installed Win10 on the Desktop and it shows activated, then you could do a clean install using the USB.

    If you're up for it

    This time, a clean install, you DO want to boot the USB.

    For a squeaky clean install - you can remove all information from the disk
    Select custom install from the options given
    When you're asked where you want to install, select Drive options (advanced) then select each partiiton and delete it. Do the same thing for all partitions until only allocated space is shown.

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    You'll have to re-install your programs and your data will be wiped.

    Make sure you have a good backup of your data before doing a clean install.
    Also locate any license keys for software that your purchased, so you can re-install it.

    I upgraded my Win7 box with USB media, then decided to test a clean install.
    There are two times when you are asked for the key. The key is not needed after the upgrade was successful

    The 1st time it asks, press skip this (lower left)
    The 2nd time, press do this later (lower left)

    Win10 completed the install and Windows is activated - I never entered a key.
    I'm pretty sure this is by design and how it's supposed to work. The initial upgrade creates a key, encrypts it, and puts in firmware. Subsequent installs use the key from that location.
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  5. Joined : Oct 2014
    Michigan USA
    Posts : 193
    Windows 10 64-bit Home
       03 Aug 2015 #35

    Thanks Slartybart. Your suggestion is a good one but I'm going to leave well enough alone. I have quite a number of programs & reinstalling them + digging up the software product keys would be quite the undertaking. MSE isn't worth that much of my time.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
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       03 Aug 2015 #36

    GARoss said: View Post
    Thanks Slartybart. Your suggestion is a good one but I'm going to leave well enough alone. I have quite a number of programs & reinstalling them + digging up the software product keys would be quite the undertaking. MSE isn't worth that much of my time.
    Understood and a wise decision - it's been great working with you on the issue.

    Bill
    .
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  7. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 9,142
    W10Prox64
       03 Aug 2015 #37

    GARoss said: View Post
    Thanks Slartybart. Your suggestion is a good one but I'm going to leave well enough alone. I have quite a number of programs & reinstalling them + digging up the software product keys would be quite the undertaking. MSE isn't worth that much of my time.
    Belarc Advisor will give you a complete system inventory including your software keys. Probably a good thing to do for future reference.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2014
    Michigan USA
    Posts : 193
    Windows 10 64-bit Home
       06 Aug 2015 #38

    Slartybart said: View Post
    No problem, it is an easy mistake to make (clean vs. upgrade).

    If you successfully installed Win10 on the Desktop and it shows activated, then you could do a clean install using the USB.

    If you're up for it

    This time, a clean install, you DO want to boot the USB.

    For a squeaky clean install - you can remove all information from the disk
    Select custom install from the options given
    When you're asked where you want to install, select Drive options (advanced) then select each partiiton and delete it. Do the same thing for all partitions until only allocated space is shown.
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	diskMT.png 
Views:	178 
Size:	33.2 KB 
ID:	27905
    You'll have to re-install your programs and your data will be wiped.

    Make sure you have a good backup of your data before doing a clean install.
    Also locate any license keys for software that your purchased, so you can re-install it.

    I upgraded my Win7 box with USB media, then decided to test a clean install.
    There are two times when you are asked for the key. The key is not needed after the upgrade was successful

    The 1st time it asks, press skip this (lower left)
    The 2nd time, press do this later (lower left)

    Win10 completed the install and Windows is activated - I never entered a key.
    I'm pretty sure this is by design and how it's supposed to work. The initial upgrade creates a key, encrypts it, and puts in firmware. Subsequent installs use the key from that location.
    I'm have some weird crash issues & think I need to do a clean install. The PC crashes. There's no BSOD. Just goes black & restarts itself. I'm downloading Adobe Photoshop CS6 & other software & gathering keys.

    I only have one partition on C:. I don't think other drives will be affected. I guess I could unplug them before re-installing Win10.

    I use Oops Backup software. Do I need anything else?
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  9. Joined : Aug 2014
    Posts : 122
    Windows 10 Home
       06 Aug 2015 #39

    A bit confused by this thread. Assuming one has MSE installed will anyone upgrading to Win 10 from Win 7 carry over MSE and then have both MSE and Defender like the OP? If so, should MSE be uninstalled before upgrading?
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  10. Joined : Apr 2015
    Posts : 9,142
    W10Prox64
       06 Aug 2015 #40

    bru said: View Post
    A bit confused by this thread. Assuming one has MSE installed will anyone upgrading to Win 10 from Win 7 carry over MSE and then have both MSE and Defender like the OP? If so, should MSE be uninstalled before upgrading?
    I believe Security Essentials is uninstalled during the upgrade. I had one W7 upgrade with MSE and it was gone when the upgrade was finished.

    I've always removed all 3rd-party antivirus on every system I've upgraded, just to avoid any problems, although MS have said that it would be done automatically during the upgrade.
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