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  1. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 69
    Windows10
       22 Oct 2016 #1

    My PC never updated to build 1607 - Had a valid digital license.


    I thought it may have been because the hardware was marginal. I only had 2GB of RAM,
    AMD X2 4200 dual core 2.2GHz. Well that's moot now, after about 10 years this motherboard finally died.
    Picked up a used motherboard/CPU/RAM from Ebay. Now have AMD FX-4300 and 4GB of DDR3 RAM.

    Started Windows 10, it installed the new drivers everything is up and running, but I am no longer activated.

    I found some info on the 'net that says you can tie in your MS ID to your digital license and re-activate.
    Problem is, I'm still on build 1511 and that procedure is only good with build 1607 and newer.

    Is this a catch 22, or is there a path ahead that will allow me to install the anniversary build and
    re-activate?

    Thanks for any info.
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  2. Join Date : Apr 2015
    Posts : 9,115
    W10Prox64
       22 Oct 2016 #2

    davexnet said: View Post
    I thought it may have been because the hardware was marginal. I only had 2GB of RAM,
    AMD X2 4200 dual core 2.2GHz. Well that's moot now, after about 10 years this motherboard finally died.
    Picked up a used motherboard/CPU/RAM from Ebay. Now have AMD FX-4300 and 4GB of DDR3 RAM.

    Started Windows 10, it installed the new drivers everything is up and running, but I am no longer activated.

    I found some info on the 'net that says you can tie in your MS ID to your digital license and re-activate.
    Problem is, I'm still on build 1511 and that procedure is only good with build 1607 and newer.

    Is this a catch 22, or is there a path ahead that will allow me to install the anniversary build and
    re-activate?

    Thanks for any info.
    The W10 activation is good for the life of the device. Generally, changing the motherboard/CPU constitutes a new device; that's why your activation is gone. The system would have had to have been tied to your MS account before the MB died. Then you *may* have had a chance for reactivation, but I think that it would have had to be the same MB/CPU - swapping like for like. In your case, you upgraded the MB/CPU, so I don't think you've got a way out here - it's technically a new machine in MS's eyes.

    Still, couldn't hurt to ring and ask, but I wouldn't be too hopeful.
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  3. Join Date : Dec 2015
    Posts : 2,357
    Windows10
       22 Oct 2016 #3

    I think you are pretty much out of luck. You could call MS Support, but I doubt they can really help. Worth a try though. If you have old 7/8 key, you might be able to enter that but not guaranteed anymore.
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  4. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 69
    Windows10
       22 Oct 2016 #4

    Well I was originally an insider, it was tied to my MS account, that's how I got the digital license. About 6 months ago I dropped out of the program and switched to a non- MS (local) account, my activation remained in tact.

    However, 1607 was never offered, the only thing that occurred to me was my assumption in my 1st post
    Above. Perhaps something else was to blame.

    Would my switch to a non-MS account preclude me from 1607?
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  5. Join Date : Dec 2015
    Posts : 2,357
    Windows10
       23 Oct 2016 #5

    davexnet said: View Post
    Well I was originally an insider, it was tied to my MS account, that's how I got the digital license. About 6 months ago I dropped out of the program and switched to a non- MS (local) account, my activation remained in tact.

    However, 1607 was never offered, the only thing that occurred to me was my assumption in my 1st post
    Above. Perhaps something else was to blame.

    Would my switch to a non-MS account preclude me from 1607?
    Not clear why you did not get upgraded. Automatic updating is being rolled over time.

    Having a local account would not affect getting updated to 1607.

    However, even if you were on 1607, you have to remain on an MSA to keep digital licence linked to MSA. Changing to a local account removes the link!

    So although you have a digital licence tied to old mobo, you have no way of moving it because you never upgraded (which you could have done manually).

    Sometimes a mobo becomes unactivated and MS ask for a huge number which they tell how to display, and with that they can find the digital licence and activate PC. But they can only do that if the mobo is functional!

    So unless MS take pity on you........
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  6. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 69
    Windows10
       23 Oct 2016 #6

    OK I see what you're sating. It seems as if I've little choice but to call; I'll report back here with the outcome.

    But first I'd like to exhaust any other possibilities. You mentioned manual installation of build 1607. Are you talking about
    downloading a package from the MS catalog as mentioned here in method 2 ?
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3176929

    Or will it not even install on a non-activated system ?
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  7. Join Date : Aug 2016
    S/E England
    Posts : 807
    10 Home x64 (1607), Pro x86 (1511)
       23 Oct 2016 #7

    davexnet said: View Post
    You mentioned manual installation of build 1607. Are you talking about
    downloading a package from the MS catalog as mentioned here in method 2 ?
    The MS catalog is one source, but I find the easiest way to make install media (.iso or bootable USB) is to use Microsoft's Media Creation Tool, option 2 here:
    http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/9...o-download.htm

    Or will it not even install on a non-activated system ?
    It will install, even a clean install on a new-build machine will install and run. It just won't activate. Almost everything will work, the main exception being you can't set a desktop background, you're stuck with one saying 'not activated'. Microsoft are keen on letting everyone install W10 so that (with minor nags) they can persuade you to buy a licence.
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  8. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 69
    Windows10
       24 Oct 2016 #8

    I did converse with MS, but to no avail. I could not get past the bit where I had to produce an eligible prior product key
    because I didn't have one. That being the case, how come Win 10 stayed active for so long without giving me a warning?

    I see you can get Windows 10 Pro oem edition for $130 at Walmart. Would this work for me ? Or is it only good on fresh installs?
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  9. Join Date : Apr 2015
    Posts : 9,115
    W10Prox64
       24 Oct 2016 #9

    davexnet said: View Post
    I did converse with MS, but to no avail. I could not get past the bit where I had to produce an eligible prior product key
    because I didn't have one. That being the case, how come Win 10 stayed active for so long without giving me a warning?

    I see you can get Windows 10 Pro oem edition for $130 at Walmart. Would this work for me ? Or is it only good on fresh installs?
    I don't know about the previous key/activation. If you had an eligible W7 or W8 key, that should have sufficed for MS.

    That OEM edition is fine, (and probably cheaper at Newegg), EXCEPT, it is not a retail key and therefore not transferable. Might be worth the extra $, if you plan on moving it to another system in the future. OEM System Builder, like OEM pre-installed OSs, are tied to the first system they are activated on, and can not be activated on another system down the line. For transfer-ability, you want a full Retail key.
    Last edited by simrick; 24 Oct 2016 at 21:15.
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  10. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 69
    Windows10
       24 Oct 2016 #10

    My system prior to W 10 was Vista and two installs of XP. About a year ago, I got my data out of Vista and downloaded
    the Windows Insider build, formatted the Vista partition and installed clean using a key for insiders at the time.

    The system updated with new builds over time, eventually reaching the official release version when I dropped out of
    the program. According to the Activation status it was activated with a "digital license". The activation persisted,
    up to build 1511. . At no time did W 10 prompt me for a qualifying W7 or W8 key.

    It wasn't until I had the motherboard swap that things went wrong

    The 64 bit W 10 Pro is about $129 at Walmart - have not checked Neweggs prices yet, but it's similar I'm sure
    If i'm going to do it, may as well do a fresh install.
    Last edited by davexnet; 24 Oct 2016 at 13:09.
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