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  1. Joined : May 2015
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       11 Oct 2016 #11

    Comport Colin said: View Post
    "Unless and until Microsoft gets its house in order it will continue to see its market share, now below 90% in the PC market, continue to slide" - you mean rise, continue to rise. See https://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...=9&qpcustomb=0
    It's basically flat, but still below November 2015 levels. Not to mention that is NetMarketShare, which as many have mentioned is unreliable compared to others. That said, if you want to argue with this site, it is the same source that shows Windows 10 flat or slightly downward and Windows 7 up a percentage point over last month. So your upward trend would be thanks to Windows 7, not Windows 10. Since Microsoft's strategy is currently Windows 10 my statement still holds true, at least based on your source. If you add up the totals from StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Usage Share
    Stat counter shows Microsoft hovering around 80+% for Desktop OS's from Windows XP thru Windows 10. You will also notice none of the lines for Windows are moving upward. What is ironic is that "unknown" is the only line showing any sort of growth.
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  2. Joined : Nov 2015
    Posts : 21
    Windows 10 1511
       11 Oct 2016 #12

    It was a joke.
    See, this thread should not even exist. The statistical data they supply is for the trash. They had unexplainable bumps in their graphs for xp and for win8.1 at the same time, by chance exactly at a time when Microsoft praised a record high for win8: http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-...p-hits-new-low
    Ask yourself: why this timely coincidence?

    This discussion should not convert into the usual talk about pro/con modern windows OS' vs. win7... this discussion is endless. I am out :-)
    Last edited by Comport Colin; 11 Oct 2016 at 06:50. Reason: typo
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  3. Joined : May 2015
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    Windows7 Pro and Windows 10 Pro
       11 Oct 2016 #13

    Comport Colin said: View Post
    It was a joke.
    Apologies on my side. For me personally, this is not a Win 7 vs. Win 10. It's definitely about Microsoft's terrible testing and QA. Which, by the way, is making its way into Windows 7. The only real advantage to Windows 7 right now is the ability to kill off the updates and the fact it is mature enough that if you have a third party security solution you can get away with not running updates.

    If Microsoft continues down its paradigm, the bugs etc. we see happening in Windows 10 will definitely be occurring in its other products as time moves forward.
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 8.1
       12 Oct 2016 #14

    I think India-made products were never renowned for good quality.
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  5. Joined : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
    Posts : 1,341
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       13 Oct 2016 #15

    The fix is in?


    Comport Colin said: View Post
    See, this thread should not even exist. The statistical data they supply is for the trash. They had unexplainable bumps in their graphs for xp and for win8.1 at the same time, by chance exactly at a time when Microsoft praised a record high for win8: http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-...p-hits-new-low
    Ask yourself: why this timely coincidence?
    Even if we accept the implication that NetMarketShare were "encouraged" to produce dodgy figures, StatCounter's graphs are almost identical to NetMarketShare's graphs.

    Is StatCounter in on "the fix" too?

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    1. NetMarketShare revised the figures for April 2016. If you check out the graph now, it is different to the one above (more believable too).
    2. The graphs have been resized to make them roughly the same size.


    This months figures are surprising because they are different from the trend since last December (~1% to ~2% growth/month).
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  6. Joined : Nov 2015
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    Windows 10 1511
       14 Oct 2016 #16

    Look, what I shared about funny numbers was at the time, MS praised win8's record high, that was in (see my link) 2014. I'll show you the pictures with numbers as well:
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  7. Joined : Aug 2014
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       14 Oct 2016 #17

    Comport Colin said: View Post
    Look, what I shared about funny numbers was at the time, MS praised win8's record high, that was in (see my link) 2014. I'll show you the pictures with numbers as well:
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    My bad.
    I was thinking of a different incident.
    The incident I mentioned earlier happened ~6 months after the incident you mentioned (April 2014 vs September 2014 - January 2015).

    I'm not disputing your figures or the graph.

    It's possible NetMarketShare will revise September's figures (like they did for April 2016).

    StatCounter doesn't show either of those XP "glitches", but the overall trends on both sites are almost identical.
    This month, both sites (currently) agree that W10 didn't grow at ~1% to ~2% (the monthly trend since December 2015).
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  8.    14 Oct 2016 #18

    Hi there

    Some people on this thread should definitely "Go Bak 2 SKULE".

    Statistics being shown here are relatively meaningless.

    For starters let's take the OP's statement " Lost Market share" -- well TO WHAT and FROM WHAT. By itself the statement is meaningless.

    Actually you could surmise that in a declining market - new PC's are preloaded with some flavour of W10 on them (excluding Apple of course) so in theory W10's stats should be RISING and quite fast too !!! so something amiss with the stats. (Less PC's but more W10 installations on the surviving PC's so % MUST rise !!!!!).

    If there's LESS PC's around now than say 5 years ago and most of the new ones have W10 installed - you don't need a Nobel Prize in Physics to work out W10 % must be rising -- even if it's meaningless anyway.

    A bit like these Economists trying to work out "Productivity" when a lot of stuff is Event Driven or service based -- How do you work out productivity of Opera singers or Musicians, or computer Help desk staff who can't predict number of or type of problems in advance --reminds me of a criticism one of the characters in the file Amadeus made of a piece of Mozart's Music -- "It's got too many Notes in it" !!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. Joined : Nov 2015
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    Windows 10 1511
       14 Oct 2016 #19

    Hu!
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  10. Joined : May 2015
    Posts : 96
    Windows7 Pro and Windows 10 Pro
       14 Oct 2016 #20

    Jimbo,
    The "as opposed to what" question can mostly be answered as Windows 7. A majority of PC sales are likely corporations. Many many corporations are still moving to Windows 7. I know at the Financial Institution where I work, with our 220k employees, our new machines are all loaded with Windows 7 Enterprise. I also have looked on a few custom built consumer/prosumer PC sites, and many of them of offering downgrades to Windows 7 pro. Also, if you go to these sites and look at just the U.S. vs. global, Windows 10 flattening/dropoff is more apparent for the U.S. Also, as I mentioned, that "Other OS" appears to be picking up steam. I'm not claiming that is Linux, although I'm sure somebody will go there, but it does account for some of the blips.

    I think the Windows 10 trend is different than Windows 8.x. Windows 8 was hated for some very good reasons in the PC community, but it had to do with looks and usability. While I do think Windows 10's interface lacks any real polish, compared to the other OS's whether Windows 7, MacOS, iOS etc. it does a fair job of navigation on the desktop. However, the problems people have are real in regards to required upgrades and no testing or quality on the side of Microsoft. (Which is unacceptable if you are forcing people to install your bugs once their system is running well.) Additionally, you have the whole issue of overwriting OEM drivers and crapware etc.

    I rarely hear people say they won't use Windows 10 because they hate the GUI. Everyone I know that is going back hates Windows 10 because the upgrades are unstable, overwrites their privacy configurations, and on occasion drops support for some feature that breaks a piece of software they need and they have no way of stopping the upgrades. Per firsthand information from a MSFT employee, Microsoft is relying on the telemetry data to from its users to find its bugs and then fix them. Yes, we are now the beta testers, literally.

    Microsoft needs to realize these people us PCs for real work. Whether you are talking small business, at home business, or simply storing your family's photos, family budgets, or possibly a book being written etc. People that do real work need and want the opportunity to turn off updates, except true security fixes. That said, even the security fixes have been known to get flaky and a third party is probably a better option. If Microsoft doesn't wake up and rebuild their testing/qa department they will lose market share, first with the small users, and then eventually the Corporate user. As I said in an earlier post, IBM and Novell thought they were too entrenched to be moved out in the 90's and they were certainly wrong. Nobody back then thought Microsoft was the "opposed to what" software. Going forward, it might be Apple, although it seems unlikely. It could be Google, who is working on a new PC OS, or some company yet to be seen. The point here being that no company in technology is guaranteed tomorrow, and it seems Microsoft has forgotten the truism.
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