MS's "Strategy" with mobile - still dish it out for free and hope they get to that .001% user base. :)

Has the upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile even started yet?

I can't remember hearing about it being made available to everyone through Windows Update, the last I heard people had to download an app from the store in order to upgrade, which ordinary people won't even know about.

ARC1020 said:

Has the upgrade to Windows 10 Mobile even started yet?

I can't remember hearing about it being made available to everyone through Windows Update, the last I heard people had to download some app from the store in order to upgrade, which ordinary people won't even know about.

I don't believe so though I'm biased in mobile - Android through and through, sorry :)

(Though I have a Lumina 900 but it cant get 10, used a hack to get 8 onto it, used as a media device.)

There is an App on the Phone store called Upgrade Advisor that checks to see if your phone is eligible for W10. My Icon was not in the original update list but it now says it is and MS is waiting on Verizon to OK the upgrade.

Jim

I just ran the Upgrade Advisor on my Icon and I am now upgrading.

RWOne said:

MS's "Strategy" with mobile - still dish it out for free and hope they get to that .001% user base. :)

Microsoft have themselves to blame by only caring about the US market and giving up just because they couldn't make it work in the US. They seemed to forget that 96% of the world's population aren't American.

At the beginning of 2015, some European countries for example had a 13% Windows phone market share, compared to 18% for IOS, which gave them a fighting chance, but yet in the last 18 months they've just thrown that all away and stopped trying. They really can't afford to give up because in 10-15 years desktop's will be replaced with mobile devices that can just be connected to mice/keyboards/monitors when required.

ARC1020 said:

Microsoft have themselves to blame by only caring about the US market and giving up just because they couldn't make it work in the US. They seemed to forget that 96% of the world's population aren't American.

At the beginning of 2015, some European countries for example had a 13% Windows phone market share, compared to 18% for IOS, but yet in the last 18 months they've just thrown that all away and stopped trying. They really can't afford to give up because in 10-15 years desktop's will be replaced with mobile devices that can just be connected to mice/keyboards/monitors when required.

I wholeheartedly agree with the above.

They should just forget all the mobile phone nonsense. I'm in UK and personally I don't know a single person through my work, friends or family that has a windows based mobile device. 95% are iOS devices and the rest android. MS should totally focus on what they 'were' good at and that is desktop OS. I believe there is a market for desktop or large screen laptops as I could never imagine myself gaming (plus wanting to use gaming peripherals) or working on office documents on anything other than a big screen desktop monitor or laptop minimum 17". Plus businesses aren't going to dig tablet devices in an office environment. Unfortunately Windows 8 and 10 in my eyes have suffered because of this attempt to be mobile centric. all this 'app' and metro stuff really doesn't suit a serious desktop OS. Let apple have the phone market and MS dominate the OS market - I'm not a huge fan of the direction Windows has gone but having also got a mac recently I'll take Windows over Mac OS anyday, their OS is a shocker to use and a poor relation to it's iOS cousin. I just wish MS would play to it's strengths

Scottyboy99 said:

They should just forget all the mobile phone nonsense. I'm in UK and personally I don't know a single person through my work, friends or family that has a windows based mobile device. 95% are iOS devices and the rest android. MS should totally focus on what they 'were' good at and that is desktop OS. I believe there is a market for desktop or large screen laptops as I could never imagine myself gaming (plus wanting to use gaming peripherals) or working on office documents on anything other than a big screen desktop monitor or laptop minimum 17". Plus businesses aren't going to dig tablet devices in an office environment. Unfortunately Windows 8 and 10 in my eyes have suffered because of this attempt to be mobile centric. all this 'app' and metro stuff really doesn't suit a serious desktop OS. Let apple have the phone market and MS dominate the OS market - I'm not a huge fan of the direction Windows has gone but having also got a mac recently I'll take Windows over Mac OS anyday, their OS is a shocker to use and a poor relation to it's iOS cousin. I just wish MS would play to it's strengths

No, that's what people don't seem to realise, as they only think in todays terms. Desktop is going to be as relevant in 10-15 years as CRT monitors are today. If they "let Apple have the phone market" Windows will cease to exist in the future. It will be game over. Apple and Google aren't going to stand still and twiddle their thumbs, their phones will evolve to replace the desktop PC in it's entirety and with enough market share will command pretty much all the software developers attention too, like we're already starting to see.

Everything you can do on your desktop today will be possible on a phone in the future. You can already connect your phone to keyboard, mouse, large monitor, etc. today (well with a Windows Phone) and also do most things on your phone that you can do on your PC. So for quite a few people they could already replace their PC with a phone, if they wanted to, when you look at how they use their PC's. I.E Watch videos, listen to music, use the internet, messaging/video-calling, browse photos, maybe some photo edits, type a few documents/spreadsheets, etc.

There's no reason why as phones get more powerful that you won't be able to use fully fledged desktop software on a phone and have your phone automatically connect wirelessly to a mouse/keyboard/large monitor, or pretty much any other screen/input device. You can more-or-less already do that today, but the bottleneck is compute power, but there would be nothing stopping a phone manufacturer allowing a phone to be plugged into a 'Razor Core' type dock to hand off the compute power for more CPU/GPU intensive software or games when at home. We're already seeing that happening today with devices like Intel's Skull Canyon via a Thunderbolt 3 USB 3.1 port. This technology is already available and will evolve to become better and cheaper over time too, maybe even wireless (speeds permitting). But, I think long term a cloud server will take care of all compute power rather than it being done on a local device and done over the internet once internet coverage/speed/cost is greatly improved. The internet will become extremely dependable much like how we use electricity today compared to how it used to be. When that happens, then the possibilities will be endless. Again, the technology already exists today to allow a cloud server to handle compute power over the internet, as demonstrated in this video with an Xbox.

I do not know which direction Apple/Google/Microsoft will take, but don't be under any illusions that Apple and Google aren't capable of replacing the PC, they are going to try to do just that. No matter how impossible it seems for technology to keep moving, it always does and without fail. So short term a phone that can also connect to a 'razor core' type dock with mouse, keyboard, game controller, big monitor. Long term, imagine a portable box (such as a phone, or pocket pack connected to something like Google Glasses) that is permanently connected to cheap superfast internet, with unlimited data, combined with unlimited computational power as it uses a cloud server to handle all the heavy stuff. A box that can connect wirelessly and automatically to pretty much any screen & input device. You get in your car/taxi for example, the box connects to the car screen. You go into your house or work, the box connects automatically to your TV or computer monitor/mouse/keyboard/game controller, all you need to do is have the box somewhere in the vicinity, walk up to the screen you want to use and it automatically recognises/authenticates you.

This is a pretty serious time for Microsoft and is why Microsoft needs to not just make itself relevant in the mobile space, but hit it full on with everything it has, because once those desktop PC's start disappearing in favour of people using mobile devices for everything, Microsoft will be in trouble unless they are a part of it. I for one, don't want to see Microsoft become irrelevant as I like both Windows and my Windows Phone.

Phone Man said:

There is an App on the Phone store called Upgrade Advisor that checks to see if your phone is eligible for W10. My Icon was not in the original update list but it now says it is and MS is waiting on Verizon to OK the upgrade.

Jim

I just ran the Upgrade Advisor on my Icon and I am now upgrading.

Upgrade completed on my Icon, will do wife's next week. Now have Windows Mobile 1511 Build 10.0.10586.420 and had 28 App updates.
Lookin good so far. Just have to get use to all the changes in the Apps and the OS.

Jim