How MSFT's tricky new Windows 10 pop-up deceives you into upgrading

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  1. Posts : 5,478
    2004
       #190

    davidhk said:
    In case it is not clear.
    It isn't me asking for help.
    Please click the link I posted should you want to advise the OP.
    It was perfectly clear - I just don't agree with the premise as I think 10 is better and if you don't like it you can revert.

    I'm not going to answer as I think s/he wouldn't like my suggestion (i.e upgrade and don't worry about it). Perhaps someone else with more experience of staying on 7 will help him/her. It is of course their right to install whatever software they feel like (subject to their ability to do so).
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  2. Posts : 1,248
    Windows 10 Pro (Build 19043.1110)
       #191

    What a feeble analogy. A EULA-derived software license is not a housing rental agreement. Actually, I would invert the analogy. My computer is my house, and Windows is the tenant. But it's still a feeble analogy.


    Barman58 said:
    A landlord has the right to do anything they like to their property and given a fair notice evict the tenant, demolish the property and rebuild a new one on the site, or remove the tenant or change the terms of use .

    The user of Windows (the software not the hardware) agrees to the EULA when installing - this gives Microsoft the right to do anything they want to the licensed software whilst in use by the licensed user, If you do not like this then you should not agree to the EULA and not use windows, (BTW refusing the Windows 10 EULA during the so called forced upgrade automatically rolls back the install )
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  3. Posts : 5,478
    2004
       #192

    sgage said:
    What a feeble analogy. A EULA-derived software license is not a housing rental agreement. Actually, I would invert the analogy. My computer is my house, and Windows is the tenant. But it's still a feeble analogy.
    I think it was a good analogy actually. I don't own my house and my landlord can (and has) asked me to leave as he has sold it to someone else.

    I do own my computer (the actual hardware) but I don't own the OS I run on it. I was aware of that when I clicked on "I accept" even if I didn't read all the bla-bla in the EULA.

    I could (I suppose) ask my tenant (Windows operating system) to leave. My tenant (OS) isn't bugging me so they are welcome to stay around in my house (my computer). I do have another tenant (a different OS) who only stays in my house when the other one is not there (dual booting). I'm getting a bit confused now (sorry) but I did think the analogy was a fair one.
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  4. Posts : 1,248
    Windows 10 Pro (Build 19043.1110)
       #193

    I guess the difference is that your shiny new tenant (Windows 10) isn't bugging you, but a lot of people find it to be rather ill-behaved and disrespectful. Whatever - it does get confusing

    lx07 said:
    I think it was a good analogy actually. I don't own my house and my landlord can (and has) asked me to leave as he has sold it to someone else.

    I do own my computer (the actual hardware) but I don't own the OS I run on it. I was aware of that when I clicked on "I accept" even if I didn't read all the bla-bla in the EULA.

    I could (I suppose) ask my tenant (Windows operating system) to leave. My tenant (OS) isn't bugging me so they are welcome to stay around in my house (my computer). I do have another tenant (a different OS) who only stays in my house when the other one is not there (dual booting). I'm getting a bit confused now (sorry) but I did think the analogy was a fair one.
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  5. Posts : 1,557
    W10 32 bit, XUbuntu 18.xx 64 bit
       #194

    Partially off topic. I am not a lawyer.
    In the U.S. landlord agreements are little more complicated that. They can't not barge in at anytime. They need permission to come in. On evictions, the landlord or the new owner has to give you 30 days notice period. If you are disabled, they cannot evict for that reason. However, the landlord or new owner can find you another place & pay you to move within the 30 days. You need enough time to find a new place yourself, that is why the 30 days. Which, I think should be a little longer.
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  6. Posts : 5,478
    2004
       #195

    groze said:
    Partially off topic. I am not a lawyer.
    In the U.S. landlord agreements are little more complicated that. They can't not barge in at anytime. They need permission to come in. On evictions, the landlord or the new owner has to give you 30 days notice period. If you are disabled, they cannot evict for that reason. However, the landlord or new owner can find you another place & pay you to move within the 30 days. You need enough time to find a new place yourself, that is why the 30 days. Which, I think should be a little longer.
    Nothing wrong with being off topic Sir. I was given 6 months notice (which is more than fair) and I was only evicted at the end of the 3 year contract I signed up to in the first place. "Evicted" sounds a little strong actually. "Not-renewed as landlord sold property" sounds better.

    30 days would be tricky I think for anyone to find accommodation but perhaps I'm slow.

    I'm not sure how much notice I should give an unwanted OS. Perhaps none as it isn't a person. Perhaps I should consider the effort of all the developers though. Unfortunately I've been running Windows 10 since October 2014 and it will be a bit embarrassing to kick her out now after all this time as I probably should have noticed if I didn't like her before now....
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  7. Posts : 22,740
    Windows 10 Home x64
       #196

    groze said:
    Partially off topic. I am not a lawyer.
    In the U.S. landlord agreements are little more complicated that. They can't not barge in at anytime. They need permission to come in. On evictions, the landlord or the new owner has to give you 30 days notice period. If you are disabled, they cannot evict for that reason. However, the landlord or new owner can find you another place & pay you to move within the 30 days. You need enough time to find a new place yourself, that is why the 30 days. Which, I think should be a little longer.
    That has nothing to do with contract law which the EULA falls under.
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  8. Posts : 305
    Windows 10
       #197

    alphanumeric said:
    Well my 8.1 PC didn't do the upgrade overnight? Why I don't know?
    They're on to you.
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  9. Posts : 16,325
    W10Prox64
       #198

    Vince Massi said:
    They're on to you.
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  10. Posts : 15,027
    Windows 10 IoT
       #199

    Vince Massi said:
    They're on to you.
    Maybe? Everything I posted here, I also posted on the Private Microsoft Yammer group.
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