Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14332 for PC and Mobile Insider

UltraTechnic446 · 09 May 2016

It's downloading for me right now!

CountMike · 09 May 2016

Night Hawk said:

You need an ISO for an OS. That isn't hardware but a software file!

And most of the hardware drivers will be useless since you will end up with very limited access to physical hardwares but instead share resources with the host OS.

I know what's needed, have few Linux distros and XP in VM. The point is that you are using VM in an OS and can't use it on a computer without any OS. VM is just an emulator.

Night Hawk · 09 May 2016

UltraTechnic446 said:

It's downloading for me right now!

The ISO for the 14332 build I would assume from the MS page.

CountMike said:

I know what's needed, have few Linux distros and XP in VM. The point is that you are using VM in an OS and can't use it on a computer without any OS. VM is just an emulator.

Haven't you ever heard of setting things up to boot from a VHD?

You attach the VHD as another physical drive and see that set as the default.

CountMike · 09 May 2016

Night Hawk said:

The ISO for the 14332 build I would assume from the MS page.

Haven't you ever heard of setting things up to boot from a VHD?

You attach the VHD as another physical drive and see that set as the default.

My late brother used to say: "Any way you turn, your ass is behind you". There's still an OS working on hardware and of same importance.

BunnyJ · 09 May 2016

martyfelker said:

Actually I was talking about the Ubuntu Subsystem for Windows 10. I myself use openSUSE Leap. If that is a toy OS then I guess I like playing with toys. Only if you purchase some toys for Windows are you going to have something you can really work with (that includes Office of course)

No one said that Linux is a tot OS. You're the one who called 10 a toy OS and in my mind that reduces your credibility. Linux is a nice OS but it's not for everyone.. *Snarky comments withheld*...

lx07 · 09 May 2016

Night Hawk said:

Haven't you ever heard of setting things up to boot from a VHD?

You attach the VHD as another physical drive and see that set as the default.

If you boot from VHD then this only works in 2 circumstances. You must have Windows installed (so that you have the Windows boot files to enable it) and also you can only boot Windows.

It would be nice if you could boot Linux from VHD but unfortunately (apart from an old failed project a decade ago) you can't.

I do like the boot from VHD functionality and use it a lot as I'm short on disk space but you can't just boot them with no OS as your loader (EFI or BIOS doesn't matter) would not recognize the VHDX as anything other than a big file.

I like this build by the way - I put it off for a week as it is my main OS and I wanted to check none of you lot had any serious problems

You didn't so I upgraded - thanks all. It is working fine for me. In answer to @AndreTen from last week...

AndreTen said:

Hmm, I did. And also asked if somebody would confirm having trouble with saving passwords. But then there was silence.

Works for me surprisingly well.

I use Edge all the time and can save and manage passwords fine with it - on this and every other forum I use.

All I can't do is see what the passwords I made up are - just the site and user ID.

Night Hawk · 09 May 2016

I know! But you are loading the OS on the vhd into what? RAM which is the one element required for everything. The OS however still isn't "Part of" But reliant on the physical component there.

Kari · 09 May 2016

Night Hawk said:

I know! But you are loading the OS on the vhd into what? RAM which is the one element required for everything. The OS however still isn't "Part of" But reliant on the physical component there.

You seem to be completely unable to understand this!

Please explain this to me: If OS is not an essential part of any computer, how do you run your virtualization program and a vm on your host computer if the host has no OS? Or let's make it simpler: how do you even start, boot and use your host computer without an OS?

A virtual machine is also a computer, an emulated one. It cannot function if it does not have an operating system. Saying that OS is not an essential and integral part of a computer, physical or virtual, is plain stupid.

lx07 · 09 May 2016

Night Hawk said:

I know! But you are loading the OS on the vhd into what? RAM which is the one element required for everything. The OS however still isn't "Part of" But reliant on the physical component there.

When you boot from VHD then firstly you boot the standard Windows loader. It contains drivers that can then parse (sorry I'm not sure of a better word) the VHD file format so it appears as a disk (either IDE or SCSI depending on the file structure) to the OS.

Then once this driver has presented the VHD file to the underlying (type 1) hypervisor as a disk rather than a flat file you can boot as normal.

If you native boot from VHD you are therefore running a VM but (with the exception of disk access) all hardware is passed through direct.

Sorry if this is off topic for this thread by the way - just thought I'd stick my oar in :)

Wynona · 09 May 2016

Wynona said:

Whoops! I forgot that!

Thanks, Davie!

Davie!?!? Did I call you Davie!?!? Sorry 'bout dat! It's definitely a typo . . .