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Last edited by orlbuckeye; 05 Apr 2016 at 13:51.
How odd.
After version 12.18 they went to webkit/blink engine so Opera became just a regular Chrome flavour... 32bit only so far.
But version 22 and after was a Chrom(e)(ium) all along, so what made it terrible for you puzzles me; the looks?; bad stability?
I still use it, here and there, like the new circle logo, the old O was more resambling a zero. But I can't tell, looks and feels stable enough.
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From version history:
Opera Software ASA - Opera version history
Opera 22 Release date 2014-06-03 Rendering engine Chromium 35 JavaScript engine V8 Features
- HiDPI improvements
- New default themes
I'll tell you something that Edge can do that Firefox can't.
We have three Spanish Language Only laptops that successfully upgraded from 8 to 8.1 to 10 that we use for orphanages and church kids. They all have Firefox. Two days ago, one of them stopped connecting to the internet. Believe it or not, after searching on the web, I cannot find out how to connect 10 to the internet.
In desperation, I tried Edge. It couldn't get on, but it gave the link to connect. It turned out that the wireless connection had been turned off, and I selected our home system and now it works. Firefox also works now.
Not pimping Edge here as a default browser, my default browser of choice here is Google Chrome ( Crime ) . I have and like Firefox also ( without the flash plug in ) but Edge can play 1080p Netflix on a PC the other two only up to 720p Netflix . ofc. Google search is by default and on the bookmark bars in all my browsers
Aside from all that Edge will load and or play many web videos smoother the other two browsers wont load at all ,or without prolonged buffering or play smooth without buffering or stalling if they manage to load them at all .
This is apparent on a lot of embedded web page videos , Yahoo.com, Cnet and the big USA TV network free episode videos also and around the web
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...y-8913998.html
If they weren't collecting this data, there'd be nothing to hack.
I can't stop websites from doing whatever they like, but I can attempt to block data collection at my end.
Not being able to block data collection at "their end", is one of the things that W10 critics complain about.
Recent browsers include a stupid convenience feature; pre-loading web pages.
After you open a page, they start pre-loading the links.
http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/firef...ow-to-stop-it/
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...re-connections
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1385029?hl=en (section 5)
Script Blockers may:
- Protect you from your browser from being tricked into downloading malware
- Also stop XSS attacks
- stop auto-run content
My AV program also includes some sort of Email Shield and Web Shield features.
How can having a known security hazard built-in to a browser make it safer?
What's next, built-in Java?
OTOH, if you don't install the Flash plugin, there is no Flash code to exploit.
Unfortunately, there is still too much stuff on the Internet that uses Flash.
Java is more problematic.
As I need Java for my TAFE subjects and I don't want to install it on my real PC, I've installed it in a VM.
If I discover that my current setup is too vulnerable, I'll swap to using Linux Mint for my web surfing.
Over the past ~5 years, I've only seen false malware positives (on XP and W7).
My last line of defence is multiple, regular, verified, malware-free backup images (stored in several different locations).
Maybe they would just get it all from you instead ? ☺lehnerus2000
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nsa-hacked-google-and-yahoo-s-data-centre-links-snowden-documents-say-8913998.html
If they weren't collecting this data, there'd be nothing to hack.
The key word being attempt and chances are a lot of the malware-writers have already attended to all that script by now anyway and maybe enabled malware to crawl out of whatever sand-boxing you may have outside of a VM but even a VM has to interact with the OS now and then and maybe something could crawl in there .lehnerus2000
I can't stop websites from doing whatever they like, but I can attempt to block data collection at my end.
U obviously know nothing is fool proof or you wouldn't need backups outside of HDWE contingency's . ☻
Malware is the exigent treat these days maybe not so much as a virus once was .
Again I had a ransom-ware page re direct at a legitimate website the other day it got by Mbam Anti-Exploit and Mbam Anti-Ransom Ware real time malware protection & Chrome & WD on this box .
Avast or any resident code virus scanner /quarantine program ain't going to do much about all that . I used it for a while ( Avast free) ,it's OK like AVG free like I use in the other 3 W10 PC's here now but the Avast free nagware was really annoying me .
OTOH for a virus quarantine /scanner it seemed to be decent like AVG free the rest of it not much of anthing that I could see outside of the usual freeware > nagware and teasers to upgrade .
Outside of the Windows 10 app permissions and privacy settings........ You mean the tin Hats still complain ?
lehnerus2000
Not being able to block data collection at "their end", is one of the things that W10 critics complain about.
Old news IIRC they been caching web pages like that for over 10 years or more you can turn some of that off in Chrome and maybe IE 11 & the others .lehnerus2000
Recent browsers include a stupid convenience feature; pre-loading web pages.
After you open a page, they start pre-loading the links.
http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/firef...ow-to-stop-it/
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...re-connections
https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1385029?hl=en (section 5)
lehnerus2000
Script Blockers may:
- Protect you from your browser from being tricked into downloading malware
- Also stop XSS attacks
- stop auto-run content
The key word being may and again the malware writers are probably attending to all that or a lot of it anyway
I can stop auto run routines in any number of ways on websites or in some of the browsers anyway especially Fire Fox .
If it's Avast free don't worry it probably doesn't do anything much above resident virus scanning and quarantine anyway ! :)
lehnerus2000
How can having a known security hazard built-in to a browser make it safer?
What's next, built-in Java?
R you confusing Java script with Java (two different things ?) you can remove Java (JRE, Java Runtime),via control panel or disable it in the browsers like Chrome, IE & Firefox and maybe Edge but removing if from your program group is OK too if U don't need it . I took mine out and don't miss it .
OTOH, if you don't install the Flash plugin, there is no Flash code to exploit. I just use peepperflah in Chrome and whatever the MS browsers have
lehnerus2000
All True ........OTOH That just makes a good argument for Chrome Pepper-flash & whatever Edge has . ☺Unfortunately, there is still too much stuff on the Internet that uses Flash.
Java's middle name is problems and NPAPI Flash plugins are first inlinelehnerus2000 Java is more problematic.
As I need Java for my TAFE subjects and I don't want to install it on my real PC, I've installed it in a VM.
A good start with Windows is staying off the web with an admin acct .......like you would ordinarily not be at elevated privileges/access on Linux.If I discover that my current setup is too vulnerable, I'll swap to using Linux Mint for my web surfing.
Over the past ~5 years, I've only seen false malware positives (on XP and W7).
I'm as usual on my Windows standard user acct . now
OTOH You can always unplug from the web & the grid too........OS X is Nixed based and it's catching malware for the fanboys now
I feel you on the back ups depending on the circumstance but at least one or two anyway .☺lehnerus2000
My last line of defense is multiple, regular, verified, malware-free backup images (stored in several different locations).
All that being said (not that anyone cares what I think about all this )... whatever works for you is fine with me and probably you also