Why SSDs are obsolete

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  1. CB
    Posts : 264
    Windows 10 20H2
       #110

    Put my system into a-128gb Adata SP900 10 months ago. It's been good up to now.
    The only thing changed was the price. Bought it for U$125. Now, it's only U$78..!!
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  2. Posts : 19,516
    W11+W11 Developer Insider + Linux
       #111

    unifex said:
    Interesting, how do you do that exactly? I'd love to see if my laptop can be made to run faster
    For starters, get rid of all the crapware that comes with it.
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  3. Posts : 406
    Windows 10 21H1
       #112

    CountMike said:
    For starters, get rid of all the crapware that comes with it.
    Mike, there is no crapware on my laptop .

    I was responding to a particular post, where TechnoMage was talking about a particular registry tweak forcing the system to keep the kernel in RAM rather than reading it off a hard drive. As I've never heard of such thing I ask how did he do it.
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  4. Lee
    Posts : 4,793
    OS X, Win 10
       #113

    unifex said:
    Mike, there is no crapware on my laptop .

    I was responding to a particular post, where TechnoMage was talking about a particular registry tweak forcing the system to keep the kernel in RAM rather than reading it off a hard drive. As I've never heard of such thing I ask how did he do it.
    He is probably using a Ram Disk more then likely. . .
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  5.    #114

    CountMike said:
    Production technology changes too, they are able to squeeze more elements on a die and that lowers production costs. Multilevel chips can be made faster and easier. I'd be more concerned about spinner HDDs and their prices. It's obvious that mechanical parts prices can go just to some level, adding more capacity is the only thing that makes them viable. SSDs also contain much less material, specially aluminum, magnets, motors heads etc. and as soon as SSDs or other data containers take off at full speed, mechanical drives are bound to go to retirement. Technically speaking, there's nothing that makes mechanical drives better than solid state.
    Other that more capacity and lower cost per GB, that is true.
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  6. Posts : 19,516
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       #115

    Lady Fitzgerald said:
    Other that more capacity and lower cost per GB, that is true.
    That's economy (for now), not technology.
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  7. Posts : 1,811
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 19.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home 1703 (64 bit), W10 Pro 1703 (64 bit) VM
       #116

    My understanding is that the new MLC construction crams more "info" into a given cell (16 voltage levels) which makes them cheaper, but more unreliable (especially compared to SLC).

    CountMike said:
    Production technology changes too, they are able to squeeze more elements on a die and that lowers production costs. Multilevel chips can be made faster and easier. I'd be more concerned about spinner HDDs and their prices. It's obvious that mechanical parts prices can go just to some level, adding more capacity is the only thing that makes them viable. SSDs also contain much less material, specially aluminum, magnets, motors heads etc. and as soon as SSDs or other data containers take off at full speed, mechanical drives are bound to go to retirement. Technically speaking, there's nothing that makes mechanical drives better than solid state.
    It will be many years before HDDs are obsolete.

    Even at the new lower price I can still buy 9 TB of HDD capacity vs 1 TB of SSD capacity for the same money (or less).

    Apart from boot and shutdown speed, I have not been impressed with the SSD in my laptop, despite it's claimed 480 MB/s speed.
    Programs and files still take 2 or 3 seconds to load.
    Last edited by lehnerus2000; 07 Mar 2015 at 10:25. Reason: Quote Added
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  8.    #117

    CountMike said:
    That's economy (for now), not technology.
    It takes improved technology to lower costs and increase capacity.

    I'm surprised no one has come up with a solution using existing technology to create 2-6TB SSDs in a 3.5" form factor. All it would take would be multiple NAND covered PC boards and an improved controller to handle the increased load. Something like that would come down in price pretty quickly since the enterprise server market would be all over them like fleas on a stray dog because of reduced current draw, reduced heat generation, and the ability to just pop them into the same bay a spinner formerly occupied without any adapters. They would make direct contact liquid cooling easier since there would be no mechanical parts subject to drag from the oil bath if not carefully sealed.
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  9. Posts : 419
    Win 7 Pro/32, Win 10 Pro/64/32
       #118

    unifex said:
    Mike, there is no crapware on my laptop .
    I was responding to a particular post, where TechnoMage was talking about a particular registry tweak forcing the system to keep the kernel in RAM rather than reading it off a hard drive. As I've never heard of such thing I ask how did he do it.
    Apologies!
    NO! Absolutely NO Ramdisk! I've never used one!

    "Crapware" to one person may be "favorite software" to someone else.
    When removing Crapware from my customer's PC's, I always ask "do you use or need this program?" and if the answer is "no" then out it goes!

    I'm so sorry, I didn't see your post about that registry tweak. No big deal though, it's been written up on the internet, repeatedly, since the Windows 98 days.
    I would have assumed that every Geek, Nerd or Windows Enthusiast would have known about that by now. My bad!
    The ability to do that was built into windows way back, at least with W-98.
    The MS programmers were not ignorant of the Safe Defaults built into Windows and gave us a way to circumvent them.

    I've combined several helpful tweaks into the same script, so I had to look through the script to find the exact tweaks that I wanted, to answer your question.

    I believe these are the registry tweaks needed, but please research them for yourself before applying.
    I've used the same tweaks for every OS since '98, so I know that they work without causing any problems, except for Windows XP Media Center. If you have that OS, then do not use the second tweak ("LargeSystemCache"-"1")
    Using that tweak on Media center will cause it to become UN-Bootable. I learned that the hard way!!!

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management]
    "DisablePagingExecutive"="1"

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management]
    "LargeSystemCache"="1"


    If you understand the function of the Windows Kernel, you might realize just how many times a day the OS has to access that file, from the somewhat slow hard drive. MS left it there because originally PC's were sold with very little (expensive) ram.
    But on PC's with ample ram, that was no longer a problem. In today's PC's with huge amounts of ram, loading the kernel into ram on boot, causes no problem and just makes good sense.

    Those who Nay-Say everything ever suggested by anyone, will say it makes no significant improvement in performance, but I've found it DOES. So did the guy who originally posted that tweak, many years ago.

    I hope this answers the question. :)

    TechnoMage
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  10. Posts : 19,516
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       #119

    Beside those two, there was "always unload DLLs", which prevented RAM misuse by programs. I believe those and other ones were incorporated in later windows versions. A lot of small tweaks can ad to noticeably faster system. With more RAM and faster HW come other challenges, and any OS has to conform to lowest standards of HW that can be used on larger variety of computers. If tweaks are properly applied to particular computer, it can be made faster than "out of box" one.
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