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I had a similar issue, the TH2 upgrade from WU failed, after downloading, and no indication why or the error shown in WU History.
The WU didn't offer me the TH2 update again, after MANY retires for "Available Updates".

I finally gave up and downloaded the TH2 Windows_build_10586_version_1511.iso (when it was available) from the "WMC link" and upgraded using the "TF instructions".
Upgrading that way way worked for me, but now it seems MS won't offer the latest ISO for updating outside of Windows Update.
I'm glad i don't have a metered ISP plan, and do have decent download speed !

I expect there are many here that will say it's a hardware or software problem with "My PC".
Well, if that's true, why does the upgrade work for me when i use the ISO to do the upgrade ??????

In some ways i hope many users have problems with their new approach, and MS gets the message.
Most PC users (i know) don't hang out in Tech Forums such as Ten Forums, and wouldn't know what to do when things don't work.
They call me or someone else such as a friend or Best Buy and ask for help.

I'm using 7, 8.1, and 10 without problems, they all work for me now, i'm no fan-boy ...

Thank you Cluster Head! That build is only available at the deutch version of the site?

Ghost82 said:

Thank you Cluster Head! That build is only available at the deutch version of the site?

Hi!
No! - all languages! :)

It makes sense that the upgrade to 10586 is not available if you have just recently done the upgrade from 7/8/8.1 - it would write over the back-up files necessary for the roll back, which is still part of their way of luring the uncertain... I expect after July, when there is no more free upgrade, this might change...

CountMike said:

Why wouldn't it be worth, if nothing it's safer that way since you already have ISO.

Well, I mean, it takes hours. Hours and hours. As of now, other than giving a new Cortana icon and turning One Drive back on, it doesn't seem to have changed any of my settings, but I haven't played around with the machine yet to see, that is kind of my biggest concern. Also just the other idea of another install on top of another install... If the update is done through Windows update I imagine the update mechanism on the PC itself is different, I would assume, whereas using the ISO is like installing a new OS on top of the pre-existing one. Granted I never did a clean install on this set up, so maybe that is in the works in the future anyway, but how many times can I install a new OS on top of another without too much getting clogged up somewhere? This machine is already twice, from 8 to 8.1 to 10...

With that concern in mind, I guess I havent seen anyone articulate the changes/benefits of the upgrade in a convincing manner, other than "eventually you will be getting it, anyway." which would suggest doing a full install on top of my existing OS is better than letting update install it in the background (unless, of course, I am wrong, and the WU install method is the same as the ISO install method, in terms of *how* it modifies and upgrades your system).

I don't believe/agree with the "hints", based on my experience.

I know for me it did show up in WU, and the update failed after a LONG download/update time.
This OS was a clean install of W10-64 using my W7-32 license, using this tutorial by Brink:
Clean Install Windows 10 Directly without having to Upgrade First - Windows 10 Forums

Going forward, i'll try to be more patient and WAIT till WU offers/re-offers a "version upgrade".

If i can't get "version upgrades" to work in WU, i'll refer others asking me for help to TF, Best-Buy, MS, etc.

I can understand MS wants to fix the update process, but that testing should be done with BETA or Insider users.
The W10 OS I'm now using is a RTM version, not an Insider/BETA version.

Should you even use November 1511 update at all since it possibly have some issue? I am not using windows 10 November update until I get more of the reason why it was really pulled. I have an image backup with the windows 10 November update . Right now I am using windows 7 & Linux system dual booting.


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I'm told that the real reason is "complicated." Maybe we'll get some real answers next week.

Also, if all future updates/upgrades are only going to be via windows updates, I may not use windows 10 at all.

Think about this, you sell your windows 10 computer to a friend in the year 2020. Your friend wants to do a clean install. He would have to download several 3 to 4 gb for every upgrade or even some updates. I don't know how much that would be, but it would be a lot of data to download This may also apply if you buy a computer at a retail store that just has build 10240 on it.

The more I hear and read about this TH2 problem, the more I'm thinking it's definitely not something minor. If somebody in-the-know at Microsoft is saying the real reason is "complicated," that likely indicates there's going to be no easy fix.