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  1. Posts : 1,811
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 19.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home 1703 (64 bit), W10 Pro 1703 (64 bit) VM
       #10

    Petey7 said:
    I'm sorry, but were disagreeing with me in someway or is there just a misunderstanding? You seemed to be saying more or less the same thing I was, which was that there are a lot less Windows 8 users than Windows 7 users, and those on Windows 8 are on new computers, so they won't be buying brand new ones soon anyways.
    I believe that we are in agreement. :)

    W7 & XP users are more likely to need hardware upgrades than W8 users.

    (I added a clarification to my previous post).
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       #11

    lehnerus2000 said:
    I believe that we are in agreement. :)

    W7 & XP users are more likely to need hardware upgrades than W8 users.
    Exactly. And even if it isn't free... If I go out and buy a $1000 laptop today, and Windows 10 comes out 12 months from now and cost $150 to upgrade, its still a much better deal than buying more or less the same laptop for $1000 again just to have Windows 10 pre-installed. Personally, I've decided to definitely put off buying a new computer until ones with Windows 10 pre-installed are out.
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  3.    #12

    As I have said many times since W8 appeared on the market, "go online and buy Windows 7 64 Bit". Windows 7 is still and most likely will be the best OS from Microsoft for years to come.

    IF Microsoft makes a truly better OS than Windows 7 we can all upgrade to that OS. Heck, they have 3 chances to get it right with W10, W11 and W12 before Windows 7 extended product-support terminates.

    Windows 7 is great so just buy it online and have fun and be productive with your computer.
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  4. Posts : 282
    Windows 10!
       #13

    Fahadking07 said:
    Unfortunately most of the people don't buy Windows and download it from Internet for free instead.

    -Fahadking07
    Is that true? I don't think Windows 8 is even crackable, and MS offered it for $15 for several months. Besides, most people would PROBABLY be concerned about at least running a legit OS, to avoid viruses from cracked releases?

    Think about it: most people buy prebuilt computers, so they get Windows packed in, and anyone who's enthusist enough to build their own computer likely got that $15 promo.

    Regarding price, unless Windows 10 gets leaner then Win8, then I won't spend even $15 for an upgrade. Win8+classic shell is the same as 10 right now, and I doubt any of the new "features" will persude me to upgrade.

    Windows Vista was a huge leap from XP. 7 was a pretty large leap from Vista interface/optimization wise (got rid of the weird Vista gadgets), and Win8 was leaner then Win7 (but that's about it). So far I don't see an incentive to upgrade to 10, as it's basically WIn8 with a start menu.

    mousegolf said:
    As I have said many times since W8 appeared on the market, "go online and buy Windows 7 64 Bit". Windows 7 is still and most likely will be the best OS from Microsoft for years to come.

    IF Microsoft makes a truly better OS than Windows 7 we can all upgrade to that OS. Heck, they have 3 chances to get it right with W10, W11 and W12 before Windows 7 extended product-support terminates.

    Windows 7 is great so just buy it online and have fun and be productive with your computer.
    Win8 with classic shell does the job a bit better then 7, as it is leaner.
    Last edited by bromanbro; 06 Oct 2014 at 23:00.
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  5. Posts : 242
    Windows 7, 8.1, 10 | Linux
       #14

    bromanbro said:
    Is that true? I don't think Windows 8 is even crackable, and MS offered it for $15 for several months. Besides, most people would PROBABLY be concerned about at least running a legit OS, to avoid viruses from cracked releases?
    Yes really. It is true. I have seen it with many people. Also I tried once.......
    I already told that in my place they sell Windows for 3-4$, which is really cheap and are kind a cracked one, or copied.... Whatever, we can find them for free.
    Last edited by Fahadking07; 07 Oct 2014 at 08:28.
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  6. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #15

    Hi there

    While there are SOME issues with this W10 - remember it's probably not even a full ALPHA version - to say nothing of a Beta and a possible RC (Release Candidate) before launch it on the whole is quite a decent OS - especially for the millions of Desktop / Laptop non touch users.

    I've had some issues with Networking - probably my biggest gripe but setting up LANS isn't the stuff most of the single home users do, and Touch isn't really implemented on this preview - that was known in advance though.

    On the whole Ms have done a creditable job with this one so I can't see why the OEM's would complain - unless of course it eats into their profits -- I'm not sure what each License costs for an OEM but I'm sure they more than make it up on the price of their kit.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Win10x64 v2004 latest build fast ring
       #16

    jimbo45 said:
    ...

    On the whole Ms have done a creditable job with this one so I can't see why the OEM's would complain - unless of course it eats into their profits -- I'm not sure what each License costs for an OEM but I'm sure they more than make it up on the price of their kit.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    The devil's in the details... The supposition here as quoted is that laptop/notebook OEMs are unhappy about a free Win10 upgrade for Win8.x customers because they think it will dampen 2015 laptop/notebook sales. It'll definitely mean some bios work, for sure, as some of those OEMs have locked their UEFI bootloaders to Win8--or at least that is what I've heard (I avoid laptops like the plague whenever possible.) What I think makes more sense for laptop/notebook OEMs to be upset about, if anything, is not whether the upgrade is free for Win8 customers, but rather that Win10 is focusing once again on the non-touch hardware market as the primary market for Win10--which is only natural as that's where the overwhelming bulk of Windows customers are and where they will remain. I guess they're not too happy about having to shift their hardware focus once again back to the pre-Win8.x markets after discovering (along with Microsoft) that people don't on the whole consider touch UI's as a suitable replacement for mice & keyboards. IE, touch has its place; just not as a replacement for the traditional explorer.exe UI in Windows.

    Then again, Digitimes might just be blowing smoke (again.) The way I see it, a very popular Windows10 is a rising tide that will lift all boats.
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  8. Posts : 2,068
    Windows 10 Pro
       #17

    bromanbro said:
    Is that true? I don't think Windows 8 is even crackable, and MS offered it for $15 for several months. Besides, most people would PROBABLY be concerned about at least running a legit OS, to avoid viruses from cracked releases?
    Yes, even with $15 upgrades, i think there is still a fair amount of piracy. Yes, getting a non-legit copy is possible. People will jump through all kinds of hoops to not pay for software. Often times, a hacked KMS server is used, a corporate MAK key is abused, or they monkey with the OS to break the activation system. I don't trust a hacked copy of an OS and would not be willing to put any of my data at risk by using one .

    Many users also slipped through a loop hole getting their OS's as part of a technet subscription for personal use. Unfortunately for them, Microsoft discountinued the Technet program. Your options are now to pay for a much more costly MSDN subscription (starting at $699 for the OS only subscription and going up to $13k for Visual Studio Ultimate), or use the free eval copies which are time limited and require re-installs to keep using.
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       #18

    Yea an upgrade to a better os would/ could also increase sells of existing machines collecting dust now with win-8 which wasn't a big seller so much so manufactures started loading win-7 on them to increase sells

    So to that I say b-s that sells would fall on the free upgrade nonsense
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  10.    #19

    bromanbro said:


    Win8 with classic shell does the job a bit better then 7, as it is leaner.
    I suppose if you don't mind a charms bar poking out now and then and the other "loose" HUD. I can never compare my start times with the average computer user, I use a quad core with an SSD Seq-Read 300ish Seq-Write 280ish. And this is not a 6GB Sata machine.
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