Mozilla CEO slams Microsoft over Windows 10 browser defaults

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  1. Posts : 360
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       #20

    He probably has a faded bumper sticker on his car that says, "Netscape Will Rise Again!"

    Last edited by Antilope; 01 Aug 2015 at 17:12.
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  2. Posts : 153
    Windows 10, 64 bit
    Thread Starter
       #21

    If you upgrading from a previous version and already have chosen a default browser why change it to a different one? On the upgrade from Windows 7 for most items Microsoft kept my default preferences. All in all I am pretty happy with the Windows 10 upgrade except for some programs that the upgrade adviser stated was compatible but was not, plus the uninstall of my Comcast Norton Security Suite without any warnings.
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  3. Posts : 823
    W11 pro 64 beta channel
       #22

    I presume that as the upgrade is free, Microsoft can flout the EU ruling on browser choice. I wonder if the paid for versions will be the same in the EU.
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  4. Posts : 983
    Windows 7/64 Professional
       #23

    Things people want.

    1. To be able to choose without being a 10 year grad from tech school.

    2. When one sets default it stays set until one chooses to change it.

    3. NO needless annoying pop ups.

    ---------
    I think most users of Windows 10 will choose Edge at first just to give it a try.
    If they like it they will keep it as default.

    If Mozilla wants all users to know how to make Firefox their default browser just post the method to do so.

    On my Windows 7 systems I have chose I.E. 11 as my default browser but I use Firefox 99.9% of the time.
    Folks you don't have to use any browser you don't want to use.
    Just use Windows default browser to download as many different browsers as you want to.

    Will the big boys at the E.U. like Windows 10 Edge methods for default.
    Of course not. The E.U. doesn't like anything about Microsoft or Windows.

    Like I posted a year or so ago about the E.U. trying to control Windows defaults settings. The E.U. seem to think that users of Windows in the E.U. are not smart enough to make their own choices without the government getting in the way.
    Folks all over the world have and will continue to make their own choices with out a bunch of governcraps telling them they are not smart enough.

    To my good friends in the E.U. I have faith that you all will be able to figure out how to use Firefox if you so choose.
    Your smart enough to download and install a upgrade operating system you will surly figure out how to use your favorite browser.
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  5. Posts : 2
    windows 10
       #24

    Come on, people. Take a deep breath...


    MS pushes it's own browser. What's so outrageous about that? Whining about how difficult it is to change the default? Oh my. How absolutely awful. And oh so hard to figure out.

    Firefox has had major problems with jerky videos in full screen mode now for years, and have done NOTHING to remedy the situation. I've used FF for years now, and am finally migrating to Edge. So, for the CEO of Mozilla to cry "foul" is disingenuous at best. Better if he spends his energy trying to fix his Firefox, and then maybe people will choose his browser over the others.

    Just my humble opinion.
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  6. Posts : 1,811
    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 19.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home 1703 (64 bit), W10 Pro 1703 (64 bit) VM
       #25

    Read the article?


    Here is the important bit:
    "The upgrade process now appears to be purposefully designed to throw away the choices its customers have made about the Internet experience they want, and replace it with the Internet experience Microsoft wants them to have," he wrote. "It now takes more than twice the number of mouse clicks, scrolling through content and some technical sophistication for people to reassert the choices they had previously made in earlier versions of Windows. It's confusing, hard to navigate and easy to get lost."
    The CNet article was strangely worded ("click bait"?).

    Here is The Verge version:
    http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/30/90...apps-complaint
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  7. Posts : 3,257
    Windows 10 Pro
       #26

    Windows has *ALWAYS* reset defaults when you upgrade the OS. The reason is that they need everything to be in a default state. This is nothing new, so the claim that it "now" resets defaults is bogus, Windows 8 did, WIndows 7 did, Windows VIsta Did, XP did...
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  8. Posts : 7,254
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
       #27

    I don't see what the issue is. I found it very easy to choose my default browser (which is not Firefox).
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  9. Posts : 99
       #28

    fracking4oil said:
    Something has to be default and I sure in the hell don't see Microsoft making it Firefox. Only makes sense for it to be Microsoft's own product. How ridiculous for Mozilla to complain that Microsoft uses their own product on their own product.


    Right?? So Apple doesn't have a default? Androids don't have a default?

    So many sites these days trying for any clicks they can get. I hope most of you are smart enough to not click something so ridiculous.

    Why don't you develop a touch friendly browser, Mozilla, so I can desire to use your product? GTFO!
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  10. Posts : 11,247
    Windows / Linux : Arch Linux
       #29

    Reggie777 said:
    MS pushes it's own browser. What's so outrageous about that? Whining about how difficult it is to change the default? Oh my. How absolutely awful. And oh so hard to figure out.

    Firefox has had major problems with jerky videos in full screen mode now for years, and have done NOTHING to remedy the situation. I've used FF for years now, and am finally migrating to Edge. So, for the CEO of Mozilla to cry "foul" is disingenuous at best. Better if he spends his energy trying to fix his Firefox, and then maybe people will choose his browser over the others.

    Just my humble opinion.

    Hi there

    Agree

    Would BMW push FORD or FORD Push AUDI.

    Make something BETTER if you want users to be able to use it. Legislation should only be involved if competition is Restricted (mind you APPLE seem to get away with a lot of their own stuff -- you aren't even ALLOWED (legally) to run the APPLE Ios as a VM on other hardware).

    As far as the EU commission is concerned -- I don't think they could organize a booze up in a Brewery or a Prayer meeting in the Vatican.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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