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  1. Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 196
    Windows 10 x64
       2015-07-26 #20

    PeterSt said: View Post
    First off, possibly because of your updating the OP, it is not consistent now. I mean, what the Registry appliances do, is not represented by the GroupEditor means. This is related to the Disable, which is not dealt with in the GPEdit outlay at all (but one of the registry entries does).

    PS: If this is already dealt with somewhere in the forum, I apologize (I did not search). But in that case this thread here is still a kind of "obsolete" .
    After the release it will be necessary to check to see if the directions in the tutorial are accurate. Is there anything else that needs to be done?
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  2. Join Date : Oct 2013
    Posts : 16,448
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14971
       2015-07-26 #21

    PeterSt said: View Post
    Hi Shawn,

    Please apreciate this as a bit of positive criticism, in the end trying to help the community :

    First off, possibly because of your updating the OP, it is not consistent now. I mean, what the Registry appliances do, is not represented by the GroupEditor means. This is related to the Disable, which is not dealt with in the GPEdit outlay at all (but one of the registry entries does).

    Next, IMO you must be quite careful for what happens at July 29 and beyond, because Windows 10 Updates can not be prevented in the RTM, if all is right. That is, for under Enterprise and Enterprise still can, they say.

    Lastly, and I can't be sure whether you are aware of it, the explicit issue of Windows 10 is thus that it can not prevent fom Auto Updates. This is just MS strategy. And now comes this thread, people looking for means to shut off auto updates. IOW, if all is right, this thread will be obsolete soon hence will provide explicitly wrong information, soon.
    And don't ask me how it will look like; maybe GPEdit won't show the possibility but the Registry entry is still respected (with all its current possible values). We can only tell when the RTM is there.

    Currently I use other means myself to stop the updates, but for that too we need to wait for the RTM to see whether that is still effective. And if not, I'm usually creative enough for some counterattacks.

    Anyway, main reason to post is to let know that while this thread should be about very explicit stopping the updates (for those who don't want that), at this moment it's just a thread like it could exist for Windows 8 etc. But for W10 it's really a big deal. And just saying : The Preview Builds nicely testified how things got worse and worse. Nobody wants that.

    Lastly FYI, if you didn't know already :
    Home (version) users will receive all the updates, they say. When they stop complaining finally (update now "works fine") the update will be provided to Pro etc. users.

    Kind regards,
    Peter

    PS: If this is already dealt with somewhere in the forum, I apologize (I did not search). But in that case this thread here is still a kind of "obsolete" .
    Hello Peter, and welcome to Ten Forums.

    Currently, the tutorial works just fine in all editions of Windows 10, so it's not obsolete.

    I'm not sure what you mean by the tutorial not being consistent. The .reg downloads are exactly the same as what group policy sets in the registry. Both options in the tutorial are for the same settings.

    I will of course test the tutorial again in all RTM editions, and make any needed updates to the tutorial at that time.
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  3. Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 2
    Windows 10, Build 10074
       2015-07-26 #22

    Shawn,

    I'm not sure what you mean by the tutorial not being consistent.
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    Maybe I am blind, but I don't see how your screenshot shows the Disabled setting (it shows Enabled) while the text above it talks about disabling and "see screenshot below".
    With this, please keep in mind that us poor users are looking for DISABLING (which you don't advise - I know) and next we're on the wrong track with selecting the Enable which your screenshot shows. It's partly a psychological thing.
    That you additionally highlight (green) the text about everything but Disabling ... well, makes it only consistent with the left pane; not with the title of step 7. The Enable option does not allow anything of what that title says.

    I hope it is clear now ?

    Peter

    PS: While we're at it anyway, it is NOT an option to state the Notify only *IF* it is the intention to not download the update anyway. I mean, you will be stuck with the message (Update available !) for the life time of the OS (you might try it on WP (8.1) for fun to see how that disturbs). So in my view, the only option available when you don't want to apply updates to begin with, is to shut it off all together (Disable in GPEdit). And that for as long as it lasts, as said.
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  4. Join Date : Oct 2013
    Posts : 16,448
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14971
       2015-07-26 #23

    The disabled part is in the yellow highlighted part at the top left, but the screenshot is just an example. The written steps is what is important.

    Yes, I know folks want to disable, and that's why the tutorial includes a way to completely disable, and a way to notify. That way everyone can have an option for what they may want.

    The purpose of notify is to let you know when you have updates available to see if you want to download and install them. If you don't then you can simply hide the update(s) (see related tutorials at bottom of tutorial) to no longer have them available and get a notification about.

    Windows Updates - Hide or Show in Windows 10

    Yes, I know I always recommend to install updates, but that's because you will leave Windows unpatched and more vulnerable to security risks if you don't. If you're in a situation where you can't risk updates causing an issue, then it would be best to wait a week or so after they are available before installing them. This way any unknown issues from the update at the time would be patched by then. Plus, you can also always uninstall an update if you have an issue with it.
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  5. Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 8
    8.1
       2015-07-30 #24

    has anyone run this with the final release from july 29? i.e. 10240


    if so did it work properly? i'm looking at using option two reg merge - thanks
    Last edited by macguru; 2015-07-30 at 08:04.
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  6. Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 8
    8.1
       2015-07-30 #25

    macguru said: View Post
    if so did it work properly? i'm looking at using option two reg merge - thanks
    I ran the 2nd option reg merge - but so far I see no changes .. this is for freshly upgraded 10240 win 10
    oddly enough before I could get the updater working for win10 I had the option box 'defer upgrades'
    one of the updates must have disabled that
    initially updates were hanging during download - after many attempts I was finally able to get updates to completion (of particular need was the one that causes explorer to crash which I ran into immediately) - I'm not sure if the updater is buggy or if there was just too much congestion at the servers

    I will monitor the system to see if this new setting might mysteriously take effect later as one poster noted happened on his machine

    thanks again shawn for the excellent work!
    Last edited by macguru; 2015-07-30 at 12:09.
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  7. Join Date : Oct 2013
    Posts : 16,448
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14971
       2015-07-30 #26

    Hello Macguru,

    Yep, it still works for me.
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  8. Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 8
    8.1
       2015-07-30 #27

    macguru said: View Post
    I ran the 2nd option reg merge - but so far I see no changes .. this is for freshly upgrade 10240 win 10
    oddly enough before I could get the updater working for win10 I had the option box 'defer upgrades'
    one of the updates must have disabled that
    initially updates were hanging during download - after many attempts I was finally able to get updates to completion (of particular need was the one that causes explorer to crash which I ran into immediately) - I'm not sure if the updater is buggy or if there was just too much congestion at the servers

    I will monitor the system to see if this new setting might mysteriously take effect later as one poster noted happened on his machine

    thanks again shawn for the excellent work!

    Out of curiosity, I uninstalled KB3074683 and 'defer upGrades' returned as an option! So that security update removes this option if anyone is interested.
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  9. Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 8
    8.1
       2015-07-30 #28

    Brink said: View Post
    Hello Macguru,

    Yep, it still works for me.
    Shawn - Thanks for the update! I've run the option 2 , #3 Notify before Downloading and Installing any Updates but it doesn't seem to do anything on this system. It's Win 10 home. There is no group policy editor in the Home version I believe. It does say under Windows Update - Advanced Options in red letters "some settings are managed by your organization" but the main Windows Update window still says "Available updates will be downloaded and installed automatically."

    When you tested yours did you update to the rollout build 10240 and then run your mod or did you update to the latest build and see that it was still there? Maybe upon updating the build it still works if previously set (if that is what you did). The other situation may be that you're running something higher than Home release which allows group policy edit. I'm not familiar with how that is parsed or not if there is no local group policy installed but the registry has modded entries I suppose they are just ignored? I saw a few posts elsewhere on how to install group policy on 8, 7 perhaps I can look into setting that up and see if it would allow your workaround to be implemented. Most importantly which version are you running this on ? Home, Pro, Enterprise?

    Did anyone here get this method to work on Home by any chance and if so how?
    Thanks in advance!


    Update : Shawn I see from your post above "Currently, the tutorial works just fine in all editions of Windows 10, so it's not obsolete." So apparently you had this working with Home edition but how ? With option 2? Have you tried it specifically with 10240 Home build as yet? Any ideas I can try? Thanks again!
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  10. Join Date : Oct 2013
    Posts : 16,448
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14971
       2015-07-30 #29

    Macguru,

    Windows 10 Home users would have to use OPTION TWO in the tutorial since it doesn't include group policy.

    If you have the red "some settings are managed by your organization" message in advanced options, then it worked.

    The "Available updates will be downloaded and installed automatically." message you see in Windows Update is just a generic note, and is not what determines if the setting worked.
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