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  1. Join Date : Apr 2014
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       2015-09-06 #50

    johnnymoniker said: View Post
    preachin to the choir, I had to refresh Windows twice. After looking at the install logs it appeared like it might be permissions related.....

    i then ran the install as administrator and it finished in twenty minutes. Garret...
    Well that can be an issue to especially if you are in a "Local" admin account and signed into 10 by an MS account it seems! That's a good point you have there since I have been working with both angles here and have found that the permissions were lacking at times to take ownership even over things when logged into the local account.

    Yet there won't be any problem when signed into the MS account on the other hand! Right clicking to select the "Run as administrator" option seems to be habit forming lately! If you didn't sign up for an MS account and skipped past that part this is what you could be seeing there too.
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  2. Join Date : Sep 2015
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    win 10
       2015-09-06 #51

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Well that can be an issue to especially if you are in a "Local" admin account and signed into 10 by an MS account it seems! That's a good point you have there since I have been working with both angles here and have found that the permissions were lacking at times to take ownership even over things when logged into the local account.

    Yet there won't be any problem when signed into the MS account on the other hand! Right clicking to select the "Run as administrator" option seems to be habit forming lately! If you didn't sign up for an MS account and skipped past that part this is what you could be seeing there too.


    i am actually using an MS account for my login, it didn't even occur to me to set up a local admin account since i figured that it would have the same basic right and permissions since my MS account is assigned the admin role.

    it sounds like you've noticed some behavior quirks between the two account types, since you have experience with both of them i'd be interested to know the differences that you've observed and/or heard about. if my permissions woes yesterday (and today, forgot to admin-click sql management studio and finally gave up on the installation after three hours) can be mitigated at least somewhat by running on a local admin account then I'm gonna go ahead and do that unless there's some tradeoff I'm not aware of.

    Overall I like Windows 10, MS got a lot of things right with this release, just seems like it could have benefited from a longer development lifecycle. I'm still astounded that they haven't addressed the 255 character filepath limit nonsense. the real limit is closer to 32000 characters but they artificially limit this in the win api and file explorer. absurd.
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  3. Join Date : Apr 2014
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       2015-09-06 #52

    It's not actually quirks but how 10 was set up to begin with. If I had simply skipped past the sigh up for MS account screen and not even entered a password the full admin account would be the local account with the elevated permissions a bit easier to attain. But I used an existing account during the original upgrade as well as for the subsequent clean install on the main build which would now have to be replaced by a totally new copy of 10 in order to bypass the MS account type log-in option. But that also would effect setting up the Windows Live Mail app as well as the new Mail app seen with 10.

    For logging in with the Local account you don't need to create a new separate account but simply sign in with the local account option found in Start>Settings>Accounts pointed to by the red line in the screen here.

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    What that will do is immediately log out of the current desktop session and have you sign in with or without a password, pin code, or image file which comes in handy when dual booting 10 with a previous version which here would be 7. At the bottom of the same screen you will also find the two options for adding a Microsoft account or a work or school account as a new user account to sign in with.
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  4. Join Date : Sep 2015
    Posts : 4
    win 10
       2015-09-06 #53

    dang, that's a pretty cool trick. are these the 'virtual desktops' i've been hearing about?

    i really should just set aside a weekend and really get to know the new features that ms brought to the table.... appreciate all the feedback night hawk, many thanks.
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  5. Join Date : Apr 2014
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       2015-09-06 #54

    The virtual desktop feature is something else totally there. You would want to review the guide which explains how to use the Task View button option to move around between two or more possible virtual desktops. Task View for Desktops - Open and Use in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums

    The option I was pointing to there is how to go about logging in with the local account option rather then the constant prompting for log in credentials like the password, pin code, or image but can restart the machine without seeing more then the lock screen you click and then the arrow button when not assigning something after booting into the other OS for example or simply seeing the desktop return automatically when any updates go on requiring a full system restart. But since you logged out of the MS account for logging in with the local account the permissions are reduced automatically.

    And one other thing is the need to see a slight change in the account name like "Night Hawk Local" used here when first setting that option up.
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  6. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 82
    Windows 10
       2015-09-07 #55

    I've tried to run the in place repair install. First from a USB drive. I get the Modern Host process failed error and the whole set up shuts down. I then tried to run it from an ISO I downloaded to a DVD. When I ran that, during the setup process it asked for my Windows 10 key, which of course I don't have. My current Windows 10 is fully activated as per the settings. I am not sure what I am doing wrong here or why I can't do the in place repair install. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks.
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  7. Join Date : Oct 2013
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    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14971
       2015-09-07 #56

    Hello Gator,

    It shouldn't be asking for a product key if your current installation is activated.

    Is the ISO for the exact same version, edition, and language as what you currently have installed?

    Be sure that you are doing the steps exactly, to make sure that you are not selecting to do a clean install instead.
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  8. Join Date : Aug 2015
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    Windows 10
       2015-09-07 #57

    Thanks, Brink. I don't know what I am doing wrong at this point. Windows says it's activated. I've tried the repair using both the USB and DVD method. The Modern Host error pops up each time. I rebooted with the USB in the drive and the install Windows 10 window came up and asked for a Key. The Modern Host problem looks like its a problem for a lot of folks but not a lot of ways to solve the issue. Windows doesn't really help. The error box doesn't give you any information on what is causing the problem. So I am at a loss. I guess I will just trudge along for now or maybe find a tech in my area to come in and look at the computer. This is my work computer so I can't afford to mess it up too much.

    I would do a reset thru the Update & Security page in Settings, but I nervous about losing my network settings for connecting to the other computers in my office that i need to connect to for a couple of programs. The repair option would be great for me for this reason.
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  9. Join Date : Oct 2013
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    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14971
       2015-09-07 #58

    Yeah, you could lose your network connections for work by doing a reset or clean install.
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  10. Join Date : Apr 2014
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       2015-09-07 #59

    The reset is the last resort when you have already taken care of seeing a clean install go on since you have to start all over once again! Yet the second upgrade in a row for the intent of a repair install will also knock things out as if you just saw a clean install where those programs and settings still need to be redone all over again!

    Plus the second upgrade to repair will not see the same files but same folders as always packed up into the Windows.old folder. I found that out when the first upgrade came out buggy and gave the repair install a try to find it worked out but didn't back things up as seen the first time around. Fortunately the first Windows.old was left intact while the second Windows.old00 folder was created since the 10 installer wasn't able to overwrite the first.
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