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  1. Join Date : Oct 2014
    Arnold, MD
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    Triple Boot 10 Pro & 10 Insider Pro & 8.1 Pro
       2016-07-09 #420

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Yes, but it is no different than using the tools discussed in this thread and takes a whole lot longer. Also, it involves writes to your ssd that you just don't need to do.
    Hate to disagree, but a repair install is very different than using a repair tool like MiniTool, or Macrium Rescue (I love both of them). A repair install rewrites the system files and system registry entries. It will retain your user installed apps and most (99%) of your settings. It really is far different than just fixing boot records and MBR/GPT flags. Yes, it takes a while. Nothing that works thoroughly and deeply is going to run in just a couple of minutes. You could spend hours hand-picking various tools to run, and still need to do a repair install. It sure beats the alternative! And, obviously, backup first.
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  2. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Aurora, Colorado
    Posts : 469
    Windows 10 Pro
       2016-07-09 #421

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Hate to disagree, but a repair install is very different than using a repair tool like MiniTool, or Macrium Rescue (I love both of them). A repair install rewrites the system files and system registry entries. It will retain your user installed apps and most (99%) of your settings. It really is far different than just fixing boot records and MBR/GPT flags. Yes, it takes a while. Nothing that works thoroughly and deeply is going to run in just a couple of minutes. You could spend hours hand-picking various tools to run, and still need to do a repair install. It sure beats the alternative! And, obviously, backup first.
    If all you want to do is fix the mbr then fix the mbr and don't mess with rewriting the system files. Especially not on an ssd.
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  3. Join Date : Oct 2014
    Arnold, MD
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       2016-07-09 #422

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    If all you want to do is fix the mbr then fix the mbr and don't mess with rewriting the system files. Especially not on an ssd.
    I was addressing the question about retaining user apps and settings in a repair install. Not just fixing MBR and boot recs. In this post....Repair Install Windows 10 with an In-place Upgrade - Page 42 - Windows 10 Forums
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  4. Join Date : Apr 2016
    Brasil
    Posts : 26
    windows 10 build 14332
       2016-07-12 #423

    Hi, I'm sorry but I'd like to make two very basic questions (for this moment of the thread).

    How is the result of this process different from that of the Refreshing approach?

    I'd like to know why can't I install a different build (an updated one), one that would be better, with less bugs??
    I'm doing this (I think) many times in my PCs. One is in Fast Ring and the others are in Slow.
    After a new Fast Ring build appears, I wait for a few days and if everything is allright, I've installed it in the Slow Ring PCs.

    Thank you for your attention. And sorry for my english not so good.
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  5. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Aurora, Colorado
    Posts : 469
    Windows 10 Pro
       2016-07-12 #424

    Windows version 1511 (build 10586) The difference between an upgrade-in-place and a refresh is the system files that get installed. With a refresh the system files installed are the ones saved on the disk. The same ones that you are "replacing." With an upgrade-in-place, new system files are downloaded from a Microsoft site (if you do the upgrade from the web and not from a disk you made previously). Since the issue being repaired may be caused by a corrupted system file, a refresh may be replacing a corrupted file with the same corrupted file from the storage. For that reason, I prefer the upgrade-in-place using fresh files from the Microsoft download site.

    (Windows 10 preview builds) This is not the same as when you upgrade an insider installation because in your case you are installing a new version of Windows, not replacing files in the same version of Windows.
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  6. Join Date : Oct 2013
    Posts : 16,469
    64-bit Windows 10 Pro build 14971
       2016-07-12 #425

    Hello netuno,

    In addition, you don't lose anything when doing a repair install. This below is what happens when you refresh Windows 10.

    Refresh Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums

    • Reinstalls Windows 10 and keeps your personal files.
    • Removes apps and drivers you installed.
    • Removes changes you made to settings.
    • Removes any apps your PC manufacturer installed. (If your PC came with Windows 10, apps from your PC manufacturer will be reinstalled.)
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  7. Join Date : Apr 2016
    Brasil
    Posts : 26
    windows 10 build 14332
       2016-07-12 #426

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Windows version 1511 (build 10586) The difference between an upgrade-in-place and a refresh is the system files that get installed. With a refresh the system files installed are the ones saved on the disk. The same ones that you are "replacing." With an upgrade-in-place, new system files are downloaded from a Microsoft site (if you do the upgrade from the web and not from a disk you made previously). Since the issue being repaired may be caused by a corrupted system file, a refresh may be replacing a corrupted file with the same corrupted file from the storage. For that reason, I prefer the upgrade-in-place using fresh files from the Microsoft download site.

    (Windows 10 preview builds) This is not the same as when you upgrade an insider installation because in your case you are installing a new version of Windows, not replacing files in the same version of Windows.
    Thank you Cbarnhorst for your quick answer!
    The system files are replaced by a "better" or a fresh copy.

    And using a new insider build isn't anymore a Repair of the installed Windows version. It's only a question of concept.

    If you are in trouble with your windows insider installation and you think it's better to refreshing it, maybe you can be better and install a new insider build that is improved in terms of bugs, at least!

    Do you agree with this!?

    Thanx.
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  8. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Aurora, Colorado
    Posts : 469
    Windows 10 Pro
       2016-07-12 #427

    netuno60 said: View Post
    Thank you Cbarnhorst for your quick answer!
    The system files are replaced by a "better" or a fresh copy.

    And using a new insider build isn't anymore a Repair of the installed Windows version. It's only a question of concept.

    If you are in trouble with your windows insider installation and you think it's better to refreshing it, maybe you can be better and install a new insider build that is improved in terms of bugs, at least!

    Do you agree with this!?

    Thanx.
    Yes, I agree completely.
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  9. Join Date : Apr 2016
    Brasil
    Posts : 26
    windows 10 build 14332
       2016-07-12 #428

    Cbarnhorst said: View Post
    Yes, I agree completely.
    Ok, thanx!
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  10. Join Date : Jun 2016
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    Win10 1607
       2016-07-12 #429

    iamcrazydave said: View Post
    Thanks for the fast reply kbird!
    That is the exact procedure I used, but unfortunately I still get the occasional fail to boot with the new drive, and have to repeat that procedure to get it running... any other thoughts?
    And back to my original question:
    Will doing a repair install within windows fix my booting problems and keep my user installed apps and settings?
    Sorry not sure why an email didn't alert me to your Reply or Cliff's ,

    I am not sure if an inplace repair will effect the MBR/BootCode or not , is the SSD properly aligned or did you clone it from a HDD ? MiniTool can fix that too.

    Cliff S said: View Post
    If you have Macrium Reflect Bootable Rescue Media, you can use it's boot repair option. It has never failed me, when Window can't do the job.
    Fixing Windows boot problems - KnowledgeBase - Macrium Reflect Knowledgebase
    I have used it too but it has not been 100% successful for me , though it may have been other issues , a Clean install fixed it up that time.
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