Let's run Win10 on really really old hardware

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    I work for a large visual effects company. Our workstations are all 2 CPUs. 14 cores per CPU or more. 192GB of ram or more. For hundreds of artists. :)
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    shaocaholica said:
    I work for a large visual effects company. Our workstations are all 2 CPUs. 14 cores per CPU or more. 192GB of ram or more. For hundreds of artists. :)
    22 years ago I worked for company that had an application that required 10 CPUs to run. This required three separate computers. Two each had 4 CPUs and the third 2 CPUs. We used Dell Servers since that was the only way to get more than two CPUs per computer. The three computers also had special shared RAM that was connected with fiber optics. That way the computers could share data using this RAM. Maybe 18 years ago we changed over to using three Dell workstations with two having 2 CPUs and the third having 1 CPU. They were faster and a lot cheaper than the Dell servers.

    Note the Dell server Xeon CPUs used a slot (Slot 2) instead of a socket. Each one was about as big as a paperback book.

    Computers have come a long way in the last twenty years.
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       #603

    I'm actually hunting for a dual slot2 Xeon workstation. I know those Xeon heatsink and packaging assembly is massive.
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    MisterEd said:
    Note the Dell server Xeon CPUs used a slot (Slot 2) instead of a socket. Each one was about as big as a paperback book.
    Your description reminds me of the Pentium II, installed a few back in the later '90s.
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    shaocaholica said:
    I'm actually hunting for a dual slot2 Xeon workstation. I know those Xeon heatsink and packaging assembly is massive.
    Our standard computer either had 2 or 4 Slot 2 Xeons. I don't remember how much they cost. I think they cost between $15,000 and $20,000 each. One total system cost over $70,000.

    We had one special Dell computer that had 8 Slot 2 Xeons. I think that set us back $100,000. Note the Slot cartridge had cache RAM mounted on the board in addition to the CPU.

    Berton said:
    Your description reminds me of the Pentium II, installed a few back in the later '90s.
    I think they might have Xeons based on the Pentium II. They were bought in the mid to late 90's.
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       #606

    I had Pentium 200 pro quad MB but only 2 CPUs on it and with SCSI disk, it was awesome for that time.
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    CountMike said:
    I had Pentium 200 pro quad MB but only 2 CPUs on it and with SCSI disk, it was awesome for that time.
    I would love a dual Pentium Pro workstation as well if I could get one working. I had one long ago but lost it in a basement flood.
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    shaocaholica said:
    I would love a dual Pentium Pro workstation as well if I could get one working. I had one long ago but lost it in a basement flood.
    SCSI drives were SSDs of their time.
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    CountMike said:
    SCSI drives were SSDs of their time.
    SCSI and IDE used basically the same hardware internally. Some SCSI drives had faster RPMs which gave a speed improvement. SCSI made more sense with servers where users could access them from multiple computers at the same time.

    IDE drives maxed out performance because their parallel interface was limited to 100 or 133Mbps. No real improvement was made until they switched to the SATA interface which started at 150Mbps and topped out at 600Mbps. SATA drives now are limited by the internal speed of the drive not the SATA interface.

    The first SSDs also used the SATA interface. Because of that they are limited to its speed not their internal performance. They top out at just less than the SATA 600Mbps interace.
    SSDs that now use the PCiex4 interface were finally able to take advantage of their internal speed. You see a lot of these drives capable of 3000-4000Mbps.

    A lot of motherboards use the M.2 interface instead now. Depending upon the motherboard it may support SSDs that use the SATA interface, PCie interface, or both. Note that M.2 drives that have the SATA interface still are limited to its speed of 500-600Mbps.

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    shaocaholica said:
    I would love a dual Pentium Pro workstation as well if I could get one working. I had one long ago but lost it in a basement flood.
    If you had the computer and all the other parts to make it work then all you would need is Windows 2000 Pro. I have a feeling that you would be disappointed by its performance.
    One time I tried to use a computer I had not used in 5 or 10 years. I found it painfully slow. I didn't remember it being that slow when I first got it. It's all about what we are used to at the time.
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    MisterEd said:
    SCSI and IDE used basically the same hardware internally. Some SCSI drives had faster RPMs which gave a speed improvement. SCSI made more sense with servers where users could access them from multiple computers at the same time.

    IDE drives maxed out performance because their parallel interface was limited to 100 or 133Mbps. No real improvement was made until they switched to the SATA interface which started at 150Mbps and topped out at 600Mbps. SATA drives now are limited by the internal speed of the drive not the SATA interface.

    The first SSDs also used the SATA interface. Because of that they are limited to its speed not their internal performance. They top out at just less than the SATA 600Mbps interace.
    SSDs that now use the PCiex4 interface were finally able to take advantage of their internal speed. You see a lot of these drives capable of 3000-4000Mbps.

    A lot of motherboards use the M.2 interface instead now. Depending upon the motherboard it may support SSDs that use the SATA interface, PCie interface, or both. Note that M.2 drives that have the SATA interface still are limited to its speed of 500-600Mbps.

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    If you had the computer and all the other parts to make it work then all you would need is Windows 2000 Pro. I have a feeling that you would be disappointed by its performance.
    One time I tried to use a computer I had not used in 5 or 10 years. I found it painfully slow. I didn't remember it being that slow when I first got it. It's all about what we are used to at the time.
    Those first IDE drives were 33 and 66Mbps, that's why SCSI seemed to be so much faster, only later they were faster and had to use 80wire data cables.
    Prior to IDE I had BFI and MFM drives, the ones with two data cables, controllers were on the MB at that time, I had a pair of 40MB MFM drives with my Atari 1040ST with special interface circuit to Atari's serial port. I remember looking at 10MB HDD in a computer store, they used to cost like a small car. Still beat floppy drives by leaps and bounds.
    Also remember first CD drives and their capacity looked enormous comparing to HDDs at that time. One of first data CD drives were also for Atari Actually Atari was quite innovative those days, first 3D picture using clear polarized glasses was also on Atari. Laved that machine, TOS operating system was more advanced than Apple (I think it was Lisa at that time). I haven't had a PC until first 386 and even kept it long after as it had great CAD and CAD 3D programs that produced files compatible with ACAD I had on a PC at work but was easier and faster to use. On an AT and XT 286 you could just enter coordinates in ACAD and go get a coffee while it shows up on screen, it was much faster on Atari so I often took work home. At work I didn't have much time for that either and my boss used to jive me that I'm "playing" with computer. Couldn't wrap his head around how important computers were going to be.
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