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  1.    22 Feb 2016 #71

    Hi there

    Runs fine on an old Pentium IV computer with 2 GB RAM -- note 32 bit only as this CPU is only 32 bit enabled.

    Can even run a 512MB XP VM too !!!!

    Ms have done all right with this one -- of course the video looks a bit strange when going via an RGB old fashioned VGA connector on to a nice LCD TV (if your monitor still has VGA connectors).

    Performance seems fine and the W10 was far better than the VISTA OS that the computer came with.

    Haven't a clue myself either about all this talk of sockets etc -- this computer was destined for it's final journey to the City's tip this weekend -- weather on Sunday was hideous here so I thought --well let's try for a joke running W10 on it --and it worked fine - also with an XP VM as I've pointed out. Maybe I'll donate the machine to a museum. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2. Joined : Aug 2014
    Forever West
    Posts : 2,373
    Win10 Home and Pro, Win7 Home, Linux Mint
       22 Feb 2016 #72

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    Haven't a clue myself either about all this talk of sockets etc -- this computer was destined for it's final journey to the City's tip this weekend -- weather on Sunday was hideous here so I thought --well let's try for a joke running W10 on it --and it worked fine - also with an XP VM as I've pointed out. Maybe I'll donate the machine to a museum. !!
    Old computers and sockets. That takes me back to the days of Socket 486 that could accept either Intel or AMD 80486 CPUs. Then there's the Socket A, Slot 1 Intel and Slot A AMD, etc., etc., etc.
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  3. Joined : Sep 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.447)
       23 Mar 2016 #73

    Windows 10 64-bit on Pentium D 945 3.40Ghz


    Hello!

    Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I would like to post my own experiences in installing Windows 10 on old hardware. OK, Pentium D (the first dual core Pentium) is not that old, I'll post again later for a much older AMD laptop once I have the screenshots. But for starters, here are the specs of the system:

    Computer: Custom-build server system
    Motherboard: Supermicro PDSG4 (Intel socket 775)
    Chipset: Intel Glenwood 955X (supports up to Pentium D dual-core CPU socket 775, not newer models)
    CPU: Intel Pentium D 945 3.40GHz dual-core socket 775 (supports NX and the extra requirements for 64-bit)
    RAM: 4GB DDR2 667MHz (4x 1GB modules in dual channel mode)
    Graphics: MSI GeForce 8400GS
    SATA Controller: Intel ICH7R with RAID support
    SCSI Controllers: Adaptec 7901 Single channel Ultra 320 SCSI & Adaptec SCSI RAID 20105/Supermicro AOC-LPZCR supported
    LAN: Intel 82573V PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
    Audio 1: Creative SoundBlaster Live! 1024 (CT4832) (see this thread for working driver in 64-bit. In 32-bit might work the Windows XP driver, haven't tried, or use KX Project again)
    Audio 2: Realtek AC'97 audio high quality 6-channel sound (see this thread for working driver)

    And here are the screenshots:

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    As said before, it is not surprising running Windows 10 (32-bit or 64-bit) on this hardware. I'll post later about a really old (Vista era) laptop running Windows 10 32-bit.

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    If you run a second instance of CPU-Z on the mainboard tab, it displays the BIOS version and Date - a fair indication of the age of the system.

    OK, here is the Mainboard tab from CPU-Z:

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  4. Joined : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       23 Mar 2016 #74

    If you run a second instance of CPU-Z on the mainboard tab, it displays the BIOS version and Date - a fair indication of the age of the system.
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  5. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 66
    Windows 10 x64
       23 Mar 2016 #75

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    If you run a second instance of CPU-Z on the mainboard tab, it displays the BIOS version and Date - a fair indication of the age of the system.
    Why do you need to run a second instance ???
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  6. Joined : Sep 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.447)
       23 Mar 2016 #76

    Running Windows 10 32-bit on HP Pavilion zv6000 series (AMD Athlon 64)


    Now this is rather old. I can't think of an older system running Windows 10 without hacking the kernel to bypass NX/PAE support test. Even if the CPU might support 64-bit, because the system is too old, it had very low RAM and there are no 64-bit drivers, I installed Windows 10 32-bit. I did it to test if Windows 10 can be installed in that old system. Of course to be able to run the setup I borrowed an 1GB DDR SO DIMM module from another old laptop.

    (The other laptop had 1GB RAM but only an Intel Centrino CPU that did not support NX/PAE. I could hack the kernel and install Windows 8/10 there, but that doesn't count. Also because the onboard graphics was Intel GMA 855G, there is no WDDM driver and it was VERY slow with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter, so yet another reason to stick with Windows 7 32-bit. As already said, hacking the kernel doesn't count.)

    So, back to the HP Pavilion laptop... It is an HP Pavilion zv6000 series with the following specifications:

    Type: Notebook
    Manufacturer: Hewlett Packard
    Model: HP Pavilion zv6201cl (P/N: EC367UA#ABA)
    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.00 GHz (Venice) s939
    Chipset: ATI Radeon Xpress 200M (RS480M), AMD Hammer IMC, ATI SB400
    RAM: 512MB (2x 256MB) DDR-266MHz PC-2700 SO DIMM
    Graphics: ATI Mobility Radeon Xpress 200 (RS480M) 128MB
    Audio: Conexant 20468 @ ATI SB400 - AC'97 Audio Controller
    LAN adapter: Realtek RTL8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
    Wireless adapter: Broadcom BCM4318 802.11b/g Wireless Network Adapter
    Modem: Conexant 20468 @ ATI SB400 AC'97 Data Fax SoftModem with SmartCP
    IEEE 1394 (Firewire) adapter: Texas Instruments TSB43AB22 1394A-2000 OHCI PHY/Link-Layer Controller
    Card Reader: Texas Instruments PCIxx21/x515 CardBus Controller (SD/MMC cards)
    Touchpad: Synaptics PS/2 Port TouchPad


    Here are the screenshots:


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    About drivers: For the graphics card I installed ATI Catalyst 7.2 suite for Vista 32-bit (WDDM 1.0). So I have some little acceleration, but ATI Control Panel doesn't work because of some incompatibility. For other devices I used Vista 32-bit drivers. I might have used an XP driver for a couple devices that don't have a Vista driver, but I am not sure...

    Of course this is VERY slow to be usable. I did it as a test to see if it was possible to install Windows 10 in such old hardware. If I want to use it I have to borrow the 1GB DDR SO DIMM module from another laptop to increase the RAM to 1.2GB. By doing that, it starts to respond better so with enough patience can be used. But with the original 512MB RAM you need A LOT more patience!

    Can you beat me? Do you have something older "running" (crawling) Windows 10? Let's see it!
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  7. Joined : Dec 2013
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       24 Mar 2016 #77

    kensiko said: View Post
    Why do you need to run a second instance ???
    Good question - just so you can have both the CPU and Mainboard tabs displayed in the same snip or screenshot - there might just be a joker who thinks it funny to mock up a screenshot that shows a Cyrix 486Dx2 66 supposedly running Windows 10 on a 1996 AMIBIOS - I know it has crossed my mind

    Thanks for sharing your experience Spapakons.

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    NX is included in the Pentium 4 Prescott specs.

    I beat you by about 9 months on BIOS date, Spapakons, and it doesn't crawl - it is similar in subjective speed with XP, 8.1 Enterprise trial, and any Linuxes I've tried run OK too. From hard disk, boot times are typically between 55 and 90 seconds. I put the reasonable performance down to the graphics card:

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    If you had 2GB of memory in the Pavilion it might be just usable - you should be able to pick up a secondhand pair of 1GB dimms for next to nothing from a laptop repair shop etc.
    Check for unnecessary hardware conflicts with MSINFO32, and Device manager and disable any problem hardware.

    Try to get the best chipset drivers for your AMD system - I know that Microsoft do not install these for Intel chipsets - they make a great difference on CPU cycles and performance.
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  8. Joined : Sep 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.447)
       24 Mar 2016 #78

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    NX is included in the Pentium 4 Prescott specs.

    I beat you by about 9 months on BIOS date, Spapakons, and it doesn't crawl - it is similar in subjective speed with XP, 8.1 Enterprise trial, and any Linuxes I've tried run OK too. From hard disk, boot times are typically between 55 and 90 seconds. I put the reasonable performance down to the graphics card:

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    If you had 2GB of memory in the Pavilion it might be just usable - you should be able to pick up a secondhand pair of 1GB dimms for next to nothing from a laptop repair shop etc.
    Check for unnecessary hardware conflicts with MSINFO32, and Device manager and disable any problem hardware.

    Try to get the best chipset drivers for your AMD system - I know that Microsoft do not install these for Intel chipsets - they make a great difference on CPU cycles and performance.
    I was talking about the Pentium 4 3.00Ghz Prescott s478 (200MHz FSB version). This doesn't have NX support, or at least my motherboard (Albatron PX865PE or something) doesn't support NX.

    I could add 2x 1GB DDR SO DIMM in my AMD laptop, but it's not worth the expense since the screen hinges (is that the word?) have broken and it doesn't stay up. I have to support the screen on a wall or other object to use it. It was a laptop left to me by a customer buying a newer model, so I keep it for tests. I have a better Acer Extensa Core 2 Duo laptop for regular use. Thank you anyway.

    As for any clever guy trying to fake the screenshots, he must be very good at it to fake all the characteristics in all the screenshots. Any small mistake and we will catch him! Don't you even dare to try to fool us!

    We could also require a benchmark screenshot. Try faking that!
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  9. Joined : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
    Posts : 1,163
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       24 Mar 2016 #79

    Mystere discussed the Pentium 4 family and sockets - which had a lot of varieties - on the first couple of pages of this thread.

    As far as benchmarks, which are always depressingly low, here's my PASSMARK - I did it twice, and came out at 410 in v7, performance test, and 361 in the v8.

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    just done!

    I have a broken screen on my Celeron M 1.5GHz Acer Travelmate, but it runs happily as a print server, and before Windows 10 disabled the modem, as a fax server. Who needs a screen anyway, just use the lid as a dust-cover for the keyboard!
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  10. Joined : Sep 2015
    Posts : 2,274
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.447)
       24 Mar 2016 #80

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    Mystere discussed the Pentium 4 family and sockets - which had a lot of varieties - on the first couple of pages of this thread.

    As far as benchmarks, which are always depressingly low, here's my PASSMARK - I did it twice, and came out at 410 in v7, performance test, and 361 in the v8.

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    just done!

    I have a broken screen on my Celeron M 1.5GHz Acer Travelmate, but it runs happily as a print server, and before Windows 10 disabled the modem, as a fax server. Who needs a screen anyway, just use the lid as a dust-cover for the keyboard!
    The P5 at the model refers probably to Intel socket 775 which is newer than Intel socket s478. As far as I have read only one or two Pentium 4 socket 478 models support NX and I don't think these ever were available in Greece. Of course you also need a socket 478 motherboard that supports NX to be able to install Windows 8 or 10. This is also rare.

    Regarding your FAX, have you tried manually installing the XP modem driver from Device Manager? It could work!
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