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  1. Join Date : Sep 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.447)
       08 Oct 2016 #141

    About Intel 915 graphics, yes there are only XPDM drivers. WDDM drivers are for Intel 945G or newer. We install Windows 10 on these old machines only for proof of concept, to see if this is possible and how they behave. To take full advantage of such a machine (without WDDM graphics drivers) is advised to install Windows 7 32-bit instead so you can use the Windows XP graphics driver (XPDM). This will provide you some hardware acceleration (but not aero) and the machine will be as fast as if it was running Windows XP. But it will be far better with a more modern operating system like Windows 7, so I consider this to be the best choice for old systems without WDDM driver. Do not forget to also install DirectX 9.0c runtime to improve compatibility with older games and video applications.
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  2. Join Date : Oct 2016
    Somewhere in Minnesota, you stalker.
    Posts : 3
    OS X El Capitan (MacPwn)
       09 Oct 2016 #142

    2007, but I am using a modded BIOS to bypass the hard drive check that these older ThinkPads have, the original BIOS said 2005.
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  3. Join Date : Oct 2016
    Somewhere in Minnesota, you stalker.
    Posts : 3
    OS X El Capitan (MacPwn)
       09 Oct 2016 #143

    Also, about Windows 7, I'm aware about XPDM support. I used to use Windows 7 on it. I saw this thread and decided that it might be fun to try out Windows 10 on it.
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  4. Join Date : Aug 2014
    Forever West
    Posts : 2,347
    Win10 Home and Pro, Win7 Home, Linux Mint
       09 Oct 2016 #144

    The only Notebook I have that I can't get Win10 on is a Dell Latitude D810 and only because of the ATI X300 video adapter but it run Win7 just fine so I'll hang onto it for the next 4 years.

    Interestingly on the 'old computer front', I fired up a Vista computer the other day and went onto the 'net, got a popup from Microsoft to check for updates and it found a Service Pack 1 for it.
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  5. Join Date : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
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    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       10 Oct 2016 #145

    kryptonmod said: View Post
    2007, but I am using a modded BIOS to bypass the hard drive check that these older ThinkPads have, the original BIOS said 2005.
    Thanks for the reply, kryptonmod, I thought that may be the time it was from - still no earlier systems than from 2005, despite the processors themselves going back to 2004.

    I have an Acer Travelmate 2423 with a Celeron M 1.50GHz, also with Intel GMA 910/915 but the BIOS dates back to 2006 - it was a pig to install 10 on, (because setup slowed to a crawl because it caused an IRQ conflict with the modem and wifi module - CPU crippled by high system interrupts), and then only by upgrading Windows 7 with 1511.

    Subsequently it failed every upgrade I tried, presumably because it could not resolve the hardware.

    I finally got 1607 on it by removing the WiFi module and applying the Install.wim to the hard drive using DISM /apply-image, bypassing setup entirely.

    Funnily enough, the Windows 10 basic graphics adapter driver works nicely with an external monitor at 900x1440 resolution on this setup, with the max 2GB RAM, it is quite usable.
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  6. Join Date : Sep 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.447)
       10 Oct 2016 #146

    kryptonmod said: View Post
    Also, about Windows 7, I'm aware about XPDM support. I used to use Windows 7 on it. I saw this thread and decided that it might be fun to try out Windows 10 on it.
    Yes it is fun to install Windows 10 on old hardware and you get a certain share of joy when you succeed. Pity that you are stuck with Microsoft Basic Display Adapter and realize that Windows 10 is not the best for that machine... It is a bit disappointing... Isn't there a universal WDDM driver with some hardware acceleration (a XPDM to WDDM wrapper, say)? It would be great. Unfortunately I haven't found any. If anyone by any chance knows better, please do post!
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  7.    12 Oct 2016 #147

    Berton said: View Post
    The only Notebook I have that I can't get Win10 on is a Dell Latitude D810 and only because of the ATI X300 video adapter but it run Win7 just fine so I'll hang onto it for the next 4 years.

    Interestingly on the 'old computer front', I fired up a Vista computer the other day and went onto the 'net, got a popup from Microsoft to check for updates and it found a Service Pack 1 for it.
    @Berton

    Just for fun I fired up a Windows 98 machine as a VM -- got the SE update !!!!

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    @spapakons

    Try installing W10 (32 bit version) as a VM on your older W7 machine -- use vmplayer (old version as newer only supports x-64 and newer hardware needs VM setting in BIOS for 64 bit VM's -- older hardware can run 32 bit VM's without any setting in BIOS).

    VBOX is also good -- after installing add VBOX additions or VMware tools and you'll get proper graphics (or at least you'll get quality HOST graphics driver can give) on the VM. !!

    I have actually run W10 X64 VM on a machine running XP as Host !! -- limited of course to 4GB between HOST and VM but was an interesting exercise running a 64 bit VM on a HOST system running a 32 bit OS. Note though in this case you have to have the VM settings enabled in the machine's BIOS to run a 64 BIT Guest Virtual Machine.

    Cheers
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  8. Join Date : Sep 2015
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit 1607 (AE build 14393.447)
       12 Oct 2016 #148

    jimbo45 said: View Post
    @BertonJust for fun I fired up a Windows 98 machine as a VM -- got the SE update !!!!Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	105564 @spapakonsTry installing W10 (32 bit version) as a VM on your older W7 machine -- use vmplayer (old version as newer only supports x-64 and newer hardware needs VM setting in BIOS for 64 bit VM's -- older hardware can run 32 bit VM's without any setting in BIOS). VBOX is also good -- after installing add VBOX additions or VMware tools and you'll get proper graphics (or at least you'll get quality HOST graphics driver can give) on the VM. !!I have actually run W10 X64 VM on a machine running XP as Host !! -- limited of course to 4GB between HOST and VM but was an interesting exercise running a 64 bit VM on a HOST system running a 32 bit OS. Note though in this case you have to have the VM settings enabled in the machine's BIOS to run a 64 BIT Guest Virtual Machine.Cheersjimbo
    Sounds like a plan, but unfortunately my Windows 7 machine (Laptop with old Pentium M CPU, 1GB DDR RAM, Intel 845G graphics, 80GB IDE 2.5" HDD) cannot run a virtual machine. Even if it could, max RAM would be about 512MB and it would be slow anyway! It is a 12" model with a single DDR slot and cannot be upgraded further, as you might know DDR RAM is at 1GB module maximum. So it is basically as good as it gets running Windows 7 32-bit. Not too slow to make you sleep, but not exactly fast. At least it can run some casual games and keep my nephew busy. Thank you for your suggestion anyway. Nice try!

    PS: About Windows 98, there is a custom third-party (not Microsoft) kernel that allows Windows 98 and ME run some Windows XP software in Windows XP compatibility mode! Yes, you can use that to run latest Mozilla Firefox and some other applications! There is also a universal VESA graphics driver that may not be very fast but you can use it in any modern graphics card to have the maximum resolution your screen supports! Of course there is no native Windows 98 graphics driver for modern graphics cards, but with this universal driver you can at least have greater resolutions than 640x480 in 16 colors (standard VGA). Finally there is a third-party USB driver that can support modern USB Flash drives and USB hard disks even in Windows 98 Gold (Windows 98 first version), not only in SE! No sound card or no Windows 98 drivers for the sound card? There is a driver for the internal PC speaker than can play some system sounds (not any sound) through the build in PC speaker in crude PCM emulation! Surprised? Google can do wonders!
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  9. Join Date : Oct 2016
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    XP SP3
       4 Weeks Ago #149

    Hello,

    I have 2 old PC on witch I would like to install Windows 8.0/8.1 or better Windows 10 (mounting Win10 32 bit image setup to an empty NTFS partition, no upgrade from earlier version).

    My configurations are :

    PC-1
    Motherboard : Asus A8V-VM socket 939 for Athlon 64 [FX], 64 X2, Opteron 180 CPU - XP Drivers only available !)
    Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 6150 / nForce 430 MCP
    CPU : AMD Athlon64 3500+
    RAM DDR II PC3200 400 MHz : 4 x 1 Gb
    HD : Seagate 1 Tb Sata III 6 Gb/s 7200 rpm 32 Mb cache plugged in Sata II motherboard connector (3 Gb/s)

    PC-2
    Motherboard : Asus A8V-VM socket 939 for Athlon 64 [FX], 64 X2, Opteron 180 CPU - XP Drivers only available !)
    Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 6150 / nForce 430 MCP
    CPU : AMD Athlon64 4000+
    RAM DDR II PC3200 400 MHz : 4 x 1 Gb
    HD : Hitachi 1 Tb Sata II 3 Gb/s 7200 rpm 32 Mb cache plugged in Sata II motherboard connector (3 Gb/s)

    Do you think this Win10 installation is possible on these old PC (up grade to an Opteron CPU usefull ?) bypassing or not NX/PAE support test ?
    How to proceed ?

    Thanks for your support.
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  10. Join Date : Aug 2014
    Forever West
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    Win10 Home and Pro, Win7 Home, Linux Mint
       4 Weeks Ago #150

    RAM DDR II PC3200 400 MHz : 4 x 1 Gb
    That doesn't look quite right, DDR2 RAM is usually also noted as PC2-3200. PC-3200 is the older DDR.

    According to the manual at http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/...421-a8v_vm.pdf it shows 3 types of the Athlon CPU plus the Sempron CPU, the Opteron is not mentioned. I always considered the Opteron to be comparable to the Intel Xeon CPU, more for Servers. Note: the AMD Sempron is comparable to the Intel Celeron.
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