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  1. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 IoT
       14 Nov 2015 #21

    All depends on how you look at it. On the one hand it makes it easier. You don't have to know what your embedded key is or what OS version its for. The install media sorts it out and installs the matching version. Windows 8/8.1 MSDN ISO's work the same way. As far as I know my MSDN ISO's are identical to retail DVD's. The old MCT downloads were Home or Pro, not Home and Pro. Now they are like my MSDN ISO's, multi edition. In the past if I used the Pro only MCT download it would just ignore my OEM Core key and prompt for one. Now with the multi edition, there is no prompt if an OEM key is detected. Adding a PID.txt file with the pro generic key will fix it and install pro by default. It's what I do. No having to click skip for key entry as it won't ask for one. If that PC has a digital entitlement for 10 Pro it will activate automatically with no issues.
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  2. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 230
    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       14 Nov 2015 #22

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    If that PC has a digital entitlement for 10 Pro it will activate automatically with no issues.
    It does. It has one for Home and Pro. But the user should be able to choose which OS they want to install...
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
    Arnold, MD
    Posts : 16,422
    Triple Boot 10 Pro & 10 Insider Pro & 8.1 Pro
       14 Nov 2015 #23

    dencal said: View Post
    Do an update and it will install whatever version you have, obviously it does not work using a USB going by above quoted experiences.
    You will have the choice of retaining all your old folders and settings, or a clean install.
    I used it to upgrade my SP3 Lappy from 10240 to 10586 with no hitches whatsoever, via USB. Choice I got on download to USB was "Windows 10", no suffixes except "one for "N", whatever that is. Like John said, at install time it decides home or pro. You can also download choosing "other operating system", and when it gets to the point of asking for a blank DVD, just tell it to shutup, finish, and you'll have a full ISO to do with as you please.

    I did both.....
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  4. Joined : Jul 2015
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    Windows 10, 8.1, 7, and Vista
       14 Nov 2015 #24

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    I used it to upgrade my SP3 Lappy from 10240 to 10586 with no hitches whatsoever, via USB. Choice I got on download to USB was "Windows 10", no suffixes except "one for "N", whatever that is. Like John said, at install time it decides home or pro. You can also download choosing "other operating system", and when it gets to the point of asking for a blank DVD, just tell it to shutup, finish, and you'll have a full ISO to do with as you please.

    I did both.....
    Thanks for the info.

    Windows N is a special edition for Europe. It doesn't have some preinstalled programs like Internet Explorer or Windows Media Player. It was created following an antitrust case against Microsoft by the EU.
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  5. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 7,957
    Windows 10 IoT
       15 Nov 2015 #25

    I do all my installs from USB Thumb drives. I've never had an issue doing it that way. I just use diskpart to set them up as bootable etc.
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  6. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 7,957
    Windows 10 IoT
       15 Nov 2015 #26

    bobjoe said: View Post
    It does. It has one for Home and Pro. But the user should be able to choose which OS they want to install...
    On a clean install, where there is no embedded key, you'll get a choice. I agree though. Having it prompt that it detected one, but giving you the option to change it might be better.
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  7. Joined : Nov 2015
    Posts : 6
    Windows 10 PRO
       15 Nov 2015 #27

    And btw the last so called "fall update" doesnt seem to be included in the official iso. What should I do to avoid to download it for each computer I have?
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  8. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 7,957
    Windows 10 IoT
       15 Nov 2015 #28

    WIN10SUCKs said: View Post
    And btw the last so called "fall update" doesnt seem to be included in the official iso. What should I do to avoid to download it for each computer I have?
    The ISO you get with the Media Creation Tool is 10586, it is the fall update. Same deal with MSDN, new ISO's there too. There is one small update you'll get via Windows update that takes it from 10586.0 to 10586.3, but its just a small security update.
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  9. Joined : Nov 2015
    Posts : 6
    Windows 10 PRO
       15 Nov 2015 #29

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    The ISO you get with the Media Creation Tool is 10586, it is the fall update. Same deal with MSDN, new ISO's there too. There is one small update you'll get via Windows update that takes it from 10586.0 to 10586.3, but its just a small security update.
    Ok thanks. Maybe the pc is trying to download the fall update from the update manager while the setup is downloading the security patch. Now there is no way to stop the first one, I guess, so I'll try to re.....No, I've just checked from BITS, there is only one active job for 260mb and it is downloading at 1% every 5min and seems to be normal.


    Do you know how to get the path the win setup manger is using? I want to try to copy this sec patch and forcedly paste it on the next pc I have to update.

    Ok. Adding /verbose to the /list command it returns more infos. This is the file it is downloading:
    Code:
    165674290 / 2691954494 WORKING http://fg.ds.b1.download.windowsupdate.com/c/updt/2015/11/10586.0.151029-1700.th2_release_clientmulti_ret_x64fre_it-it_d25fa3031f50d16a91c2dcb38e23f9f4df725d34.esd -> C:\$Windows.~WS\Sources\installx64
    .esd
    I'll try to push it into the next setup


    SHIT! it is 2gb! I misread it. This update system is CRAZY! Windows is for the most part updates still after 30 years there is no way to manage them properly

    This thing is not sustainable anymore. I give up and install linux. Win 10 will end up in a virtual machine CRAKED in the face, microsoft bitches
    Last edited by WIN10SUCKs; 15 Nov 2015 at 03:34.
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  10.    15 Nov 2015 #30

    WIN10SUCKs said: View Post
    And btw the last so called "fall update" doesnt seem to be included in the official iso. What should I do to avoid to download it for each computer I have?
    You could download the 2 patches KB3105211 and KB3103688 and add to your 1511 ISO before updating your other machines if you wanted.

    Applying Windows Updates to a base WIM using DISM and Powershell - ConfigMgrDogs - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

    They are very small though (48MB and 18MB).
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