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  1.    12 Sep 2015 #11
    Join Date : Nov 2013
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    Win 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by zooburner View Post
    Hi there

    This has me puzzled

    I have upgraded to windows 10 from my OEM windows 7, now that went okay, and I understand that I now have Windows10 activated on this machine with a continuation of the OEM licence.

    I have a Windows7 retail disk, what will happen if I install that on the same machine, and then upgrade that to Windows10, will that in effect give me a retail version of Windows10 ?

    Just curious
    You don't wanna do that as Windows 10 licensing apparently is tied up to the hardware. That will just end you up with 2 licenses locked to 1 machine. But you can transfer it and call MS for re-activation on different machine.
    If you need a second copy on the same machine, you can just try cloning it. I am not sure, maybe someone can also enlighten me about this, if Windows 10 licensing is also now tied up to a hard drive because it's not the case with Windows 7.
    So basically, you don't wanna waste the retail copy of your Win 7 if you are planning to build another machine in the future. But then again, it's still transferrable but requires some extra legwork with MS.
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  2.    12 Sep 2015 #12
    Join Date : Jul 2015
    Posts : 2,552
    10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    I am not sure, maybe someone can also enlighten me about this, if Windows 10 licensing is also now tied up to a hard drive because it's not the case with Windows 7
    That works, yes, you can swap disks as much as you want.

    The only time (that I've found) that you need a Retail Windows 10 license key is when you are running the same system and swapping between native boot and a VM when the underlying OS is not an activated version of Windows (OSX for example).

    For example if you are running Windows 10 host you'll need a separate license to run a VM but you can native boot a VHDX and it will pick up and use the license of your host computer. An upgrade license with the generic key is fine.

    If you are dual booting Windows and Linux or OSX and you sometimes want to run Windows as a VM using raw disk access to the Windows partition then you'll need a retail 10 license. In this case upgrading both separately (VM and native) doesn't work. In theory it should register both the real and virtual hardware with MS but it doesn't let you switch between the two if you have upgrade key - it just gives the "0xC004C003 key blocked" for the generic key. If you swap it for a 10 retail key then it works fine.

    The only thing you can't do is run more than one instance at a time. If you only dual boot you aren't - as far as licensing is concerned it is the same as if you had restored a different backup as the hardware is the same.
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  3.    12 Sep 2015 #13
    Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 610

    Quote Originally Posted by NavyLCDR View Post
    All Microsoft offered to do was upgrade computers already running Windows 7/8/8.1 for free to Windows 10 for the life of that computer. Then when someone digs into the EULA of the free upgrade they see the language that would come with a normal purchased upgrade - retail license upgrades to retail license. Which is a legal technicality - not intention.
    It is not just "legal technicality" (whatever that should mean) - it is a binding contract.

    A customer does not know what Microsoft "intended". I mean: How should he? Nor does he have to know. The customer also has no duty to start thinkng about if what Microsoft does is clever, stupid or whatever. That is just not his cup of tea. The license is very clear: If it says retail upgrades to retail, then this is what the contract is about.

    Not what we are speaking about, but what Microsoft might try to do from a legal point of view might be this: At the point where the user decides to upgrade to a newer version, maybe called Windows 10.1 or whatever, there he maybe has to accept a new EULA. And in this EULA, Microsoft could maybe try to change the user's rights. I think this will work as long, as someone from the media notices that and then it's in the news like "Microsoft taking customers their granted rights away". Although I think this might be legally possible, Microsoft should better think about whether the negative press is worth it - before they use a license text. Breaking binding contracts is never a good idea.
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  4.    12 Sep 2015 #14
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Posts : 228
    10 preview 64bit

    My advice ,
    Keep10 on the oem.
    Buy a cheap computer, install your FULLY TRANSFERABLE retail w7 and upgrade if you want to.
    Note the free upgrade is only valid till Aug 2016

    Remember that retail licence disk can be moved between any number of comps
    Its like having gold.

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  5.    12 Sep 2015 #15
    Join Date : Jun 2015
    Posts : 252
    Windows 7 (SP1)

    Thanks for all the replies folks

    I will do what a few have advised and keep my retail windows 7 off any machine for now.

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