I Don't like Windows Ten.

ME wasn't an OS in itself. It was a 32-bit extension to a 16-bit overlay for an 8-bit DOS.

i love Win10.. the theme is fantastic..
i love the no border, flat interface, thick shadow :)

my only gripe is Windows Update, and no control over some pinned apps. in "All Programs".

Chris2005 said:

From what I've heard, previous games will stand to improve performance-wise from DX12, even if they aren't out of the box DX12 games, again, so I've heard.

Here's a good read, from what I saw glancing through it:
Tested: DirectX 12's potential performance leap is insane | PCWorld

If you don't want to listen, you won't listen. I'm not sure you even read the article you linked, which actually reinforced the point I was trying to make. Even the last sentence of the article states:

"We won't know for sure until actual DirectX-12-enabled games ship. Microsoft estimates that will be the end of this year. "

DirectX 12 will have zero affect on games that don't use it. That means old games. But go on believing what you want. I'm sure Bigfoot is out there too.

ixian said:

I'm sure Bigfoot is out there too.

Hey! Keep my father-in-law out of it.

Chris2005 said:

You don't have to be pretentious.

Pretentious is attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. That's not what I'm doing, I'm simply repeating facts. "Sarcastic" or even "Sardonic" - that I would own up to at this point :)

Factual and logical come to my mind!!

ixian said:

If you don't want to listen, you won't listen. I'm not sure you even read the article you linked, which actually reinforced the point I was trying to make. Even the last sentence of the article states:

"We won't know for sure until actual DirectX-12-enabled games ship. Microsoft estimates that will be the end of this year. "

DirectX 12 will have zero affect on games that don't use it. That means old games. But go on believing what you want. I'm sure Bigfoot is out there too.

But Windows 10 still uses WDDM 2.0, so there might be some performance improvement in Windows 10 even for games without DX12 support. That is, if WDDM acts separately from DX12.

kyliansunn said:

The only windows worse than 10 is 8. I am seriously considering going back to 7 though...

I do remember Vista being the worst.

Delicieuxz said:

But Windows 10 still uses WDDM 2.0, so there might be some performance improvement in Windows 10 even for games without DX12 support. That is, if WDDM acts separately from DX12.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, honestly. I'm just repeating facts anyone can dig up with a little solid research on their own. Like the original comment (which was specifically about DX12), this one is just wishful thinking. WDDM 2.0 was implemented so drivers could support DX12. It's not a magical fix that is going to make drivers work better across the board. If anything, initially we can probably expect things to be a bit unstable as manufacturers figure it out - WDDM 2.0 is a big change. Nvidia certainly had it's hands full during the preview release and arguably still does.

If games don't support DX12 they aren't going to see any benefit just from Windows 10. Period. That's the long and the short answer. Could manufacturers release new drivers that improve the way old games perform and look? Sure, that happens all the time (and the changes are usually pretty subtle). Could the fact that people are upgrading, doing fresh installs, the OS handles memory better, etc. have an overall net positive effect? Maybe, depends on the use case. However that has nothing to do with any of the new capabilities in 10, which is what all this hand waving started over :)

DX12 (and WDDM 2.0) are potentially great new features in Windows 10. We'll know a lot more when games that actually support them come out, and the development houses behind them have time to "settle in" and take advantage of the new features....not all will, just as was the case with earlier versions.