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  1. Join Date : Jun 2014
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       4 Days Ago #11

    meridius said: View Post
    The blurry text seems to happen as in my first link and only in some GUI's (e.g. Device Manager, Microsoft Word etc.) and the problem still remains at 125%. I was interested in my first link as it was quite accurate in describing the problems I have been having.
    For things like MS Word, have you tried ticking the 'disable scaling' option for the executable relating to the program in question. Just right click the shortcut or the .exe relating to the program and apply the change.

    Device manager is blurry for me too.

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  2. Join Date : Nov 2016
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       4 Days Ago #12

    For things like MS Word, have you tried ticking the 'disable scaling' option for the executable relating to the program in question. Just right click the shortcut or the .exe relating to the program and apply the change.
    I tried the Disable display scaling option and this may be the best solution for now in terms of apps.

    Device manager is blurry for me too.
    For Device Manager etc. this is still a problem although not the end of the world. But Microsoft should have sorted this out. I haven't had this problem in Windows 7.
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  3. Join Date : May 2015
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       4 Days Ago #13

    Mooly said: View Post
    For things like MS Word, have you tried ticking the 'disable scaling' option for the executable relating to the program in question. Just right click the shortcut or the .exe relating to the program and apply the change.
    Device manager is blurry for me too.
    It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the fact that they are replacing their LCD screen with a large flatscreen that has not been calibrated to the LCD. You can do everything in the world on the laptop and windows that you want. Windows 10 is very aggressive when it comes to using the GPU, because it was designed with 4K/UHD in mind, if the GPU is capable of anything over 1080p, which a lot of off the shelf desktops and laptops cannot do anything more than 1080p.
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  4. Join Date : May 2015
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       4 Days Ago #14

    meridius said: View Post
    I tried the Disable display scaling option and this may be the best solution for now in terms of apps.
    For Device Manager etc. this is still a problem although not the end of the world. But Microsoft should have sorted this out. I haven't had this problem in Windows 7.
    Again it is because Windows 10 is very aggressive when it uses a GPU. Windows 7 is Apples vs. Oranges. You can find everything that I stated in the multiple posts that it has zero to do with your laptop at this point. It has a lot to do with not having your flatscreen properly calibrated, your laptop is only going to be able to do 1080p at best, Windows 10 again is very aggressive when it comes to how it uses the GPU.

    You can do everything in the world with making adjustments in Windows and it will only effect what you see on the LCD screen. It will have zero effect on the fact that your large sized 4k/UHD has most likely not been properly calibrated, all of the fancy features like motion, film, digital noise, basic video adjustments are still set as it was when it got unpacked from the box.
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  5. Join Date : Apr 2016
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       4 Days Ago #15

    bro67 I respect your opinion/experience, but please don't make those strange posts, because they don't have anything to do with problems OP is experiencing.
    I have had problems same as OP myself recently when I bought 25" QHD monitor Windows 10 automatically set recommended scaling to 120% and it was problems all over.. some software had blurry text, UI elements on some software looked low resolution etc. setting it to 100% solved all problems but it made UI elements text, buttons, etc. small very small I got used to it, because I sit close to screen I can see it, but its small probably to small for many users tastes (of course i get tons of screen real estate when everything is so small). I can't imagine what it would be like with 4K monitor in neighborhood of 27" probably you couldn't see anything even looking at screen from few inches away everything would be tiny.
    When I return from 25" QHD to 23.8 FHD screen everything seems so large.

    In theory scaling on high DPI screen should have opposite effect because every element can use more pixels everything should become more crisp not blurry but some Windows applications (older ones like elements from old control panel including device manager, services etc) and lots 3rd party software seems to have fixed pixels per UI element or something that makes scaling bad not good..
    IMHO that's where mac OS shines scaling high resolution with retina screens, Windows still has long way to go to fix it..

    More read:
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2900023
    Windows 10 DPI-Awareness issues, blurry text 125% - Windows 10 Forums
    Microsoft May Never Fix the High DPI Issues in Windows 10 - Thurrott.com

    Windows 10 DPI blurry / fuzzy text font fix - XP Explorer <this may solve problem for some its small software reaply registry settings on startup (Windows resets that setting to default every 2 restarts so software reaplies them on startup) to fall back on older style scaling.
    if you afraid to use it can try manual setting
    DPI-related APIs and registry settings
    DPI Scaling Level for Displays - Change in Windows 10 - Windows 10 Forums
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  6. Join Date : May 2015
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       4 Days Ago #16

    There are no strange posts. It is facts and it is even all over AVS Forums and those companies that deal with calibration of projectors and flatscreens. Again changing the DPI and such while using a large flatscreen that is not properly calibrated, along with a laptop that does not have a GPU that can do what one on a PCIe board in a real computer. You are going to be stuck with crappy images on the Flatscreen at 1080p at whatever extreme resolution you choose.

    This whole argument has been beaten to death since the first 16bit graphics cards came out around before Windows 95. You can keep denying that it is the flatscreen and the fact that it is stated all over the web that Windows 10 is very aggressive when it comes to how it uses the GPU. Facts are facts and nothing is going to change what can be backed up by pages of information that even you can find for yourself.
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  7. Join Date : Nov 2016
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       4 Days Ago #17

    Laptops still only do at max of 1080p. The biggest problem as I have stated over and over is that people setup their brand new shiny flatscreen and never change the default all on settings like Motion, film, etc.

    Taking the time to tweak the settings on the Flatscreen does wonders. You again are blaming this on something that is not even the issue.
    If this post is to be of real use to other people and myself we will need some specifics on this. I am not a great fan of a 'boys with toys' approach to testing on what will now be a main operating system that will eventually have data on it. Can you provide us with any specific information related to this?
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  8. Join Date : Nov 2016
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       4 Days Ago #18

    VBJP - Many thanks for the articles. This helps me to better understand the problem. Going back to my original post if anyone has ever used this app please provide us with additional feedback: http://windows10_dpi_blurry_fix.xpexplorer.com/

    There are some articles here on it but it would be good to hear from a member who actually uses it:

    http://lifehacker.com/fix-blurry-fon...ity-1734246822

    http://betanews.com/2015/10/05/how-t...-font-problem/

    http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/05/fix...-with-dpi-fix/

    For those of us who work with graphics and video editing the current status quo isn't acceptable. At the same time a good test would be to try to boot from Ubuntu or another live cd Linux os to see what the results are.
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  9. Join Date : Apr 2016
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       4 Days Ago #19

    bro67 said: View Post
    There are no strange posts. It is facts and it is even all over AVS Forums and those companies that deal with calibration of projectors and flatscreens. Again changing the DPI and such while using a large flatscreen that is not properly calibrated, along with a laptop that does not have a GPU that can do what one on a PCIe board in a real computer. You are going to be stuck with crappy images on the Flatscreen at 1080p at whatever extreme resolution you choose.
    Sorry for my wording in previous post your posts are not strange, but they miss this topic completely.
    Your system specs says youre using mac and mac OS X handles scaling just fine. It's windows problem.
    You talk about discrete graphics on PCIe and calibrations.

    OK I have geforce GTX 1080 GPU on PCIe 16x Gen 3 slot. My monitor is professionally calibrated, 100% sRBG colors etc.
    And i still have this problem when DPI scaling is not 100% (problem is that on high DPI you have to scale to more than 100% or UI will be too small to see). DPI scaling doesn't change resolution per se if you have monitor that is 2560x1440 pixels it will still be same 2560x1440 pixels just UI elements (buttons, labels, bars etc) will become bigger use more pixels to render, so you will be able to see them withoud magnifying glass.
    It should increase fidelity because if you have more pixels to render same item there is less jaggedness image is more crisp and higher resolution, but windows has problems with scaling to anything other than 100%. Scaling is not necessary when monitor is big enough for that resolution for example 24" FHD monitor is fine at 100% for most users, to get same effect on QHD for example you will need ~32" monitor. It's all releated to PPI (pixels per inch).

    meridius said: View Post
    VBJP - Many thanks for the articles. This helps me to better understand the problem. Going back to my original post if anyone has ever used this app please provide us with additional feedback.

    It depends, some users report great success some don't few people are afraid that it may be malware (IMHO it isn't but always think and take care) and do it manually. Anyhow it works if scaling was good in windows 7 and 8 for you because it forces Windows 10 to use older scaling not new that came with windows 10.
    Some positive responses from this forum:
    Windows 10 DPI-Awareness issues, blurry text 125% - Windows 10 Forums
    Windows 10 DPI-Awareness issues, blurry text 125% - Windows 10 Forums
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  10. Join Date : May 2015
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       4 Days Ago #20

    meridius said: View Post
    If this post is to be of real use to other people and myself we will need some specifics on this. I am not a great fan of a 'boys with toys' approach to testing on what will now be a main operating system that will eventually have data on it. Can you provide us with any specific information related to this?
    The specifics are on the manufacturer website and also if you do a search, you will find the information that will back up what I have been stating. The main operating system is a generic term. Windows 10 was built to be 4k/UHD capable and it is very aggressive in how it handles what you see on larger monitors.

    The only laptops that would have a 4k/UHD capable GPU, would be one that is made specifically for using on larger screens and are powerful enough to do the tasks that they are made to do.

    If you do not calibrate your monitor, use a proper color profile, you are just going to see crappy fonts, etc. on the large flatscreen.
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