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  1. Joined : May 2015
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       21 Oct 2016 #11

    Hibernate never was in Windows 95. It did not get introduced into Windows until XP SP3. If you were using any kind of Hibernate function, it was most likely third party software.

    Also Hybrid is Hibernate in a different fashion, but still it is inherent a problem with certain hardware that has never worked since the day Microsoft created it.
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  2. Joined : Jun 2016
    London, England
    Posts : 5
    Windows 10
       21 Oct 2016 #12

    Hibernate does indeed work fine.


    Hibernate and indeed hybrid sleep both work well in my (fairly extensive) experience and have done for years. That's not to say no-one has problems.

    Hibernate (compared to power off) has the major advantage that all applications and data are preserved, and you pick up exactly where you left off. But your machine is powered off and does not need a power source. It can take around 30 seconds to power up from hibernate, usually a lot faster than a cold boot.

    Sleep (or suspend) has all the advantages of hibernate (machine state is preserved) and your machine leaps into life in just a couple of seconds. But sleep needs a little power to maintain the memory contents. On a modern machine, the power use is tiny, maybe a watt or so, and it is a great way to save some power when leaving your machine for an hour or more. BUT - the big disadvantage is that if you have a power failure you have to boot up from scratch and any unsaved data is lost.

    Hybrid sleep was an ingeneous way to get the best of both worlds. You go into sleep, but a copy of the machine status is written to disk, as done for hibernate. Normally you can start up in a couple of seconds. But if the power fails, you don't lose your data or state as the machine will recover as if from a hibernate state.

    If hibernate is not working for you, then you have some sort of system problem- almost certainly software.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2016
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts : 6
    Windows10
       21 Oct 2016 #13

    Joining many others w/r wifi issues after the KB3199209 update, today, after waking the subject PC, I get a message that one of the usb devices attached failed to start. Checking into this message, I find that the PC's wifi adapter is no longer recognized via device manager.
    Repeatedly now, every time I wake the PC, this message is occurring.

    Seriously, doesn't M$ have any pride anymore with the product(s) they put out? This update is trash and to make matters worse, it can't be uninstalled.

    Does anyone from Microsoft visit this forum? Does anyone from Tenforums have any inside contacts with Microsoft that could kick these issues towards a speedy resolution?


    Arrrghhhhh!
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  4. Joined : Aug 2016
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       21 Oct 2016 #14

    bro67 said: View Post
    Hibernate never was in Windows 95. It did not get introduced into Windows until XP SP3.
    Hibernation was supported in Windows 95 provided the manufacturers chose to support it. Toshiba was one that did...

    Windows 95 supports hibernation through hardware manufacturer-supplied drivers and only if compatible hardware and BIOS are present.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibern...rosoft_Windows

    Toshiba 8000 User Manual: Using Hibernation Mode (windows 95 And Windows 98)
    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/20....html?page=112
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  5. Joined : May 2015
    Central IL
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       21 Oct 2016 #15

    Bree said: View Post
    Hibernation was supported in Windows 95 provided the manufacturers chose to support it. Toshiba was one that did...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hibern...rosoft_Windows

    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/20....html?page=112
    Did you happen to read the part that as you stated was only if the hardware supported it. That actually was a very small number at that time, since the majority of machines were P2's, with P3's still being very expensive and somewhat rare at the time.
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  6. Joined : May 2015
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       21 Oct 2016 #16

    TranzPhat said: View Post
    Joining many others w/r wifi issues after the KB3199209 update, today, after waking the subject PC, I get a message that one of the usb devices attached failed to start. Checking into this message, I find that the PC's wifi adapter is no longer recognized via device manager.
    Repeatedly now, every time I wake the PC, this message is occurring.

    Seriously, doesn't M$ have any pride anymore with the product(s) they put out? This update is trash and to make matters worse, it can't be uninstalled.

    Does anyone from Microsoft visit this forum? Does anyone from Tenforums have any inside contacts with Microsoft that could kick these issues towards a speedy resolution?


    Arrrghhhhh!
    No because this is a privately owned forum. No one on this forum has contacts with anyone at Microsoft. It is a volunteer supported site and with that you cannot get upset over the information you are given, because the majority are suggestions to try, not actual fixes. Not everyone has the same issues. Those of us that have dealt with issues will tell you how we fixed them. Also the same that you are going to get a majority vote that using Hibernate is very risky and can cause the OS to become screwed up if the Hibernation file on the drive becomes messed up.

    Also there is nothing wrong with the updates, unless Microsoft notices a large number of machines reporting back that there are massive errors with it. The majority of problems are user created with tweaks and extra software that a user may be running, along with if they are overclocking, which can cause problems.

    As for wifi issues, it is from people still allowing Microsoft Updates to install the generic Microsoft drivers. If more people shut off the ability of allowing Microsoft Update from not being able to install drivers, there would be less issues. Same as with the Security software people run that really does nothing but take money out of their pockets. If they use a free version, they will run into headaches because the free versions are very limited in what they do and can cause what appears to be a device problem, but is just an issue with the security software.
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  7. Joined : May 2015
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       21 Oct 2016 #17

    BrendanB said: View Post
    Hibernate and indeed hybrid sleep both work well in my (fairly extensive) experience and have done for years. That's not to say no-one has problems.

    Hibernate (compared to power off) has the major advantage that all applications and data are preserved, and you pick up exactly where you left off. But your machine is powered off and does not need a power source. It can take around 30 seconds to power up from hibernate, usually a lot faster than a cold boot.

    Sleep (or suspend) has all the advantages of hibernate (machine state is preserved) and your machine leaps into life in just a couple of seconds. But sleep needs a little power to maintain the memory contents. On a modern machine, the power use is tiny, maybe a watt or so, and it is a great way to save some power when leaving your machine for an hour or more. BUT - the big disadvantage is that if you have a power failure you have to boot up from scratch and any unsaved data is lost.

    Hybrid sleep was an ingeneous way to get the best of both worlds. You go into sleep, but a copy of the machine status is written to disk, as done for hibernate. Normally you can start up in a couple of seconds. But if the power fails, you don't lose your data or state as the machine will recover as if from a hibernate state.

    If hibernate is not working for you, then you have some sort of system problem- almost certainly software.
    Sleep is just placing it in a S3 state and if there is a IRQ request, it can keep the machine from not going back into sleep mode. Hibernate has been a headache since XP SP3. Hybrid Sleep has been an even bigger headache, since a lot of it deals on people knowing how to set it up correctly, but in reality they should not have to use it with the fact that the SSD's are faster, same as the M.2 cards are fast. Also OS's are now being setup to allow you to reopen what programs and windows that you had open when you shut down. It is basically taking a snapshot of what processes, stick the snapshot into a file and when you boot back up, the OS looks at that snapshot of what you had running and reopens them. Of course with that comes the fact that we are right back to where if something goes wrong, you can end up with a headache to try and fix.
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  8. Joined : Oct 2016
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts : 6
    Windows10
       21 Oct 2016 #18

    I am not sure where your hostility is coming from "Bro", I asked an honest question, hoping that someone here might be able to give constructive advise. Your advise has been: "no one uses hybrid sleep", "it has never worked", "there is no need for hybrid sleep", and "hibernation has been a headache ever since...blah, blah, blah". Your advise is not constructive but derogatory. Also you are telling me things base upon your opinions and asserting them as if they are universal facts.

    You don't know me, my education, my background or experiences and, most certainly, you do not know my applications. Yet have not hesitated to "tell me" and lecture me about S states, SSD's and WiFi drivers.

    I will tell you "Bro", that I have used sleep/hybrid sleep and hibernation without issue for many years - in some form since XP first came out, also on W7, W8, W8.1 and W10. I use it all the time - on 19 different PC's currently. I have never had a problem like this until 3199209 was released the other day. I never had a corrupted hibernation file. If you have no honest ideas, fine, just hold off on the lectures.

    I am actually beginning to regret posting on this forum.
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  9. Joined : May 2015
    Central IL
    Posts : 2,950
    EL Capitan
       21 Oct 2016 #19

    Sorry TranzPhat but I am not being Hostile. Just pointing out the fact that this is a volunteer forum and you need to take the information you are given is suggestions and as I stated before, it may not always work, so that is why you may get suggestions from many who may have you try something in each step.

    No one is here to brag about their education, background or experience. You came here for help, you got mad and upset over the offer for help and now you are trying to backtrack on your word and think that we are automatically going to have some random person from Microsoft pop up on here, which even they do not even know their OS, since they are script readers. Those that are Software developers or engineers with Microsoft are not allowed outside the company circle to go on boards like this and fix their OS.

    So once again if you want help, drop everything you think that is wrong with what is going on and if you cannot, then you are also able to leave the conversation, have it locked and walk away without it causing any problems with you.
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