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  1.    19 Jul 2016 #11
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Windows 7

    The XP admin level account provided full administrator rights all the time. Note that it did not provide full access to everything, such as the "System Volume Information" folder. The always on admin rights was a well known security risk but in 2001 it was considered acceptable.

    But the situation changed between 2001 and the time when Vista was in the design phase. Security became an ever increasing problem and Microsoft was under pressure to do something about it. The good news was that computers had more resources. The specified minimum RAM for XP was 64 MB and there were those who thought that too high. But it wasn't enough to provide sophisticated security features. But for Vista it was decided that the minimum RAM specification could be reasonably increased to 512 MB (for Vista Home Basic) and 1 GB for other editions. UAC was one security feature that was now possible. It was a reasonable compromise between convenience and security. Security always has it's price. And not just with computers.

    The designers of any complex software, and any modern operating system is very complex, must make many decisions. Often those decisions will be hard. Sometimes they will be very hard. Sometimes no matter what the decision there will be those who say it was a stupid one. You can't please everyone.

    Providing more options to the user doesn't solve the problem. This adds complexity and a whole new set of problems. And more decisions for the designers.

    The large majority of computer users know little of computers and don't want to learn. The security of UAC must be the default or it will remain off and be useless for the majority of users.

    But there are those who will consider any compromise with convenience as unacceptable. For those individuals, and for the rare but real situations where a full time admin account is acceptable, there are options that allow this. I will not describe how to do this.

    But if you choose to do this you must accept the consequences and things that will not work. These were the difficult decisions that Windows designers had to make.
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  2.    24 Jul 2016 #12
    Join Date : Jul 2016
    Posts : 38
    W7 Dual Boot/Windows 10 Pro

    There is a full system administrator account but its hidden, and not good practice to use as your every day login account.
    What are the actual differences between the fake Administrator account that gets applied to new users when you create the first account and the built in one, besides UAC?
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  3.    24 Jul 2016 #13
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 7,609
    Windows 10 IoT

    Quote Originally Posted by Culbrelai View Post
    What are the actual differences between the fake Administrator account that gets applied to new users when you create the first account and the built in one, besides UAC?
    It's not a "fake" administrators account. It has privileges that the Standard user account doesn't.
    Administrator account - Enable or Disable in Windows 10
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  4.    24 Jul 2016 #14
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
    Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3

    User are assigned security based on the groups they belong.

    Administrator : one and only one. This is the highest level security clearance - Super user mode.
    When you Run as Administrator..., you run the pgm at the highest security clearance level

    Administrators : multiple. This group has fairly high security clearance

    Users : multiple.

    Default local groups: Security Services
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  5.    24 Jul 2016 #15
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Penns Forrest
    Posts : 3,506
    Win_8.1-Pro, Win_10.1607-Pro, Mint_17.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Culbrelai View Post
    Hello, I am unable to edit root/system32/drivers/etc/hosts, even with UAC set to "Never Notify". I get access denied errors of different flavors when I attempt to make a new hosts file and replace it, attempt to edit the original and save over... none of my shenanigans appear to work.

    I am the only account (administrator) on this Windows 10 Pro installation.

    What is the deal here, am I missing something?
    Edit the HOSTS file, save it to your Desktop (you might have to copy it to your Desktop first - I never had to do that though)

    rename Windows\system32\drivers\etc\HOSTS HOSTS.orig
    Drag and drop (or copy and paste) the edited Desktop\HOSTS file to Windows\system32\drivers\etc
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  6.    24 Jul 2016 #16
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,888
    Windows 10 Pro

    Create a simple batch script, edithosts.cmd

    In it put:

    c:\windows\system32\notepad.exe c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

    Then put this on your desktop or wherever you want it, then right click on it and choose "Run as Administrator" That's it. You can now edit it and save.
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