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Adam, Vincent is not in OneGet team, he is a network admin in some bigger company and his comment as seen in the screenshot you were referring to should be taken as such, an opinion from a corporate network admin with nothing to do with Microsoft who regularly takes part in these OneGet community meetings.

The opinion of his is though valid, of course, and shared by many; there should be and I am quite sure will be a GUI. I agree totally, although quite often I find myself opposing Vincent's opinions for instance about importance of fully functioning update / uninstall modules.

I really dislike these "Oh it's so difficult" and "Why is that so and not so" discussions. What follows is a rant, jump to next post please, I am posting this mostly for posterity and my sanity.

I can understand the MS logics regarding this matter. The Store must be easy to use, getting apps not requiring a high school diploma, but at the same time they want to give corporate users (network admins) tools to do their job. They prefer a method, even manual method, which allows them to setup the reference images fast and with as little user interference as possible. Key in your command and go get some coffee while OneGet, NuGet or any similar service does the job, reliably and in a secure standardized way.

As the development of for instance OneGet then got further, somebody noticed that it could also be developed to a tool for if not every user but at least with few modifications to advanced private users. This is where we are now, today. We have this marvelous tool for preparing production images which can easily be used for customizing the app installation part of image creation. Both in corporate world but also in home networks and computers. The private users can also start deploying instead of installing, tools are there and they are easy to use.

I for sure will see this OneGet stuff to the end and try to be part of it as much as I can. Using Sysprep and Audit Mode as an example, my personal goal is to do with OneGet here at Ten Forums what I have been trying to do with Sysprep and Audit Mode at Seven and Eight Forums; demystify OneGet, get it out from the corporate world to normal users and with tutorials and posts try to show how easy it is to use if you forget your prejudiced way of thinking . Even if I say so I think I have done pretty good job with demystifying Sysprep, I see no reason why it could not be done with OneGet. Of course there will always be those who are not willing to try, only reason being "I've never tried that, done that, I do not want to do it".

Honestly, I am laughing and almost crying at the same time when I read these "It's so difficult, nobody will use it" comments. How bloody difficult it is to type Install-Package GoogleChrome, Opera, Firefox, Maxthon to get 4 browsers installed? Or Install-Package VLC, AdobeReader, 7Zip to install a media player, PDF reader and archiving program with one simple command, with no "Click Next, click Accept, Would you like to install this toolbar" and such.

It's funny that these same people who see the above as the most difficult tasks they have ever heard about do not complain about use of SFC /SCANNOW with repeated scans or any variations of DISM or how to edit the boot records or create a system image or do a repair install or whatnot. Which in fact proves my point: OneGet in PowerShell, Start Screen in Windows 8, Start Menu in Windows 10, they all have something in common: they are new. As there are people who never leave their home town or when they do, they always travel to same destination, as there are people who still drive that 79 Subaru because it's the only car they have known, as there are people who refuse to taste anything new, anything that their mama did not make, there will always be these people who oppose new only because it is new. "We have always done like this, no reason to change it."

Personally I am quite proud that a month short of my 56th birthday I am still keenly inspecting and studying everything new. I have adopted every new OS from Microsoft and instead of starting complaining about it, studied it and set a goal to find and try as much new as possible. Maybe that's the reason why MS has never disappointed me with their new OS; I have always, since Windows 1 liked the new version more than the predecessor. Yes, Vista, too. I liked Vista much more than XP. And no, my statement excludes Windows ME but only because I never tried it.

I do not believe I have liked every new MS OS more than the one it was supposed to replace because of incredible luck, that MS accidentally found every time exactly the way to change the OS which at that moment suited me. No, I believe that I have liked every new MS OS because I have decided not to give up, decided to find out how the new OS works and give it a chance, instead of rolling in self-pity thinking "Oh why did they change that? It's always been like this! I don't like changes."

Over and out.

Jimbo, please believe me when I say that my rant was not targeting any member of our forums in general and you in particular. I just suddenly had enough about this eternal Why Seven? XP was good! Why Eight? Seven was good! Why Ten? Eight was good! Why OneGet? I have to type 20 characters! Why this, why that, why anything new.

The rant was for my own sanity, not against anyone :).

I can understand what you say Wolfgang but I do not agree with the conclusion that kind of thinking leads to.

Should we only make popular music because big part of the humans do not understand classical? Should we only make sitcoms and talent shows for TV because, let's be honest, a simple episode of Murder She Wrote not to speak about a film by Kubrick or televised play from Shakespeare are, to put it as kindly as I can, too difficult to understand for quite a lot of the people? Should we only publish comics and yellow press tabloids because, again sorry my honesty, a lot of people really are too stupid to understand politics, economy and world news? Should football be the only accepted form of "culture" because, again, let's face the truth the great masses don't give s*** about theater, opera, arts and so on?

Computers, software, operating systems, they cannot be designed according to the needs of these people. Sorry, I am just saying aloud what many think. Majority of computer users would have no issues in adapting in new technology if the biggest barrier ("I hate change!") could be removed.

Kari said:

I really dislike these "Oh it's so difficult" and "Why is that so and not so" discussions. What follows is a rant, jump to next post please, I am posting this mostly for posterity and my sanity.

I can understand the MS logics regarding this matter. The Store must be easy to use, getting apps not requiring a high school diploma, but at the same time they want to give corporate users (network admins) tools to do their job. They prefer a method, even manual method, which allows them to setup the reference images fast and with as little user interference as possible. Key in your command and go get some coffee while OneGet, NuGet or any similar service does the job, reliably and in a secure standardized way.

As the development of for instance OneGet then got further, somebody noticed that it could also be developed to a tool for if not every user but at least with few modifications to advanced private users. This is where we are now, today. We have this marvelous tool for preparing production images which can easily be used for customizing the app installation part of image creation. Both in corporate world but also in home networks and computers. The private users can also start deploying instead of installing, tools are there and they are easy to use.

I for sure will see this OneGet stuff to the end and try to be part of it as much as I can. Using Sysprep and Audit Mode as an example, my personal goal is to do with OneGet here at Ten Forums what I have been trying to do with Sysprep and Audit Mode at Seven and Eight Forums; demystify OneGet, get it out from the corporate world to normal users and with tutorials and posts try to show how easy it is to use if you forget your prejudiced way of thinking . Even if I say so I think I have done pretty good job with demystifying Sysprep, I see no reason why it could not be done with OneGet. Of course there will always be those who are not willing to try, only reason being "I've never tried that, done that, I do not want to do it".

Honestly, I am laughing and almost crying at the same time when I read these "It's so difficult, nobody will use it" comments. How bloody difficult it is to type Install-Package GoogleChrome, Opera, Firefox, Maxthon to get 4 browsers installed? Or Install-Package VLC, AdobeReader, 7Zip to install a media player, PDF reader and archiving program with one simple command, with no "Click Next, click Accept, Would you like to install this toolbar" and such.

It's funny that these same people who see the above as the most difficult tasks they have ever heard about do not complain about use of SFC /SCANNOW with repeated scans or any variations of DISM or how to edit the boot records or create a system image or do a repair install or whatnot. Which in fact proves my point: OneGet in PowerShell, Start Screen in Windows 8, Start Menu in Windows 10, they all have something in common: they are new. As there are people who never leave their home town or when they do, they always travel to same destination, as there are people who still drive that 79 Subaru because it's the only car they have known, as there are people who refuse to taste anything new, anything that their mama did not make, there will always be these people who oppose new only because it is new. "We have always done like this, no reason to change it."

Personally I am quite proud that a month short of my 56th birthday I am still keenly inspecting and studying everything new. I have adopted every new OS from Microsoft and instead of starting complaining about it, studied it and set a goal to find and try as much new as possible. Maybe that's the reason why MS has never disappointed me with their new OS; I have always, since Windows 1 liked the new version more than the predecessor. Yes, Vista, too. I liked Vista much more than XP. And no, my statement excludes Windows ME but only because I never tried it.

I do not believe I have liked every new MS OS more than the one it was supposed to replace because of incredible luck, that MS accidentally found every time exactly the way to change the OS which at that moment suited me. No, I believe that I have liked every new MS OS because I have decided not to give up, decided to find out how the new OS works and give it a chance, instead of rolling in self-pity thinking "Oh why did they change that? It's always been like this! I don't like changes."

Over and out.

Well not everyone will have things your way since everyone is entitled to their own opinion so people say win8 sucks or win10 is the best is just their opinion so please users shouldn't get offended unless they have a legit reason why its better.