Windows 7 should be Windows 11

Rickkins said:

In my opinion, the big problem is two-fold.

First, you have scores of coders on the payroll, each of whom has to continually justify their continued employment, so they dream up nonsensical changes to what was already a good system. We'll call that "change for change sake".

Then, you have ms who has to flog the altered product, both to pay said coders, and to make some more money. True, that is the way of the world... but that does not mean that each new "feature", and I use that word figuratively, is even a tiny improvement. Indeed, as often as not, it's a step backward. While most real improvements could be made under the hood, that wouldn't show, and they need something to "show".


Imho, of course...

Fortunately or unfortunately others like the idea of having a new more modern OS. There are real improvements being made in the new OS and not all of them are just fluff.

As for coders justifying their existence.. well. Being a coder/analyst for over 20 years I can tell you that myself and my colleagues did have to invent reasons to keep our jobs. There were always changes that needed to be made and new systems to be developed all of the time. Claiming that the "coders" are the ones driving the changes is far from the truth. We/they perform the tasks that the designers come up with, not the other way around.

Rickkins said:

Imho, of course...

Thanks for the best laughs in ages :). Have not noticed any h in your opinions, at least not in this thread. Spilled coffee just now allover the keyboard due hysterical laugh attack.

HippsieGypsie said:

What gets me are OPs that state something off the wall statement such as



and always including an emotional statement like

NO TILES!

to get members going usually with heated debate most times never to see the OP again. I liken them to be like fire starters that return to the scene never saying a word. I know they are looking in because of the "Thread Information" strip below.

I noticed that as well. Unfortunately that happens all to often in forums.
We just have to avoid feeding into the drama.

Jeff

Kari said:

@lehnerus2000, that's still a user made decision, to use default save location. It does not change the fact that the user makes the decision where the files are saved; by accepting defaults user has decided the default location is OK and does not need to be changed. I admit that the user might not know how to change the defaults and is therefore using default save locations, in which case it's also a user decision, not to find out how libraries work.

It really is so simple: it is always the user who decides, not Windows. I do not use default save locations, I have decided to use other folders for that. Another user is happy with Windows defaults and decides to use them.

We'll have to agree to disagree. :)

A user has to know:

• That an option exists
• How to access that option

If they don't know either of those things (especially the first) they are going to struggle.

When I first got my own computer and I started to install software, I didn't know which install options were necessary for the program and which were crapware/malware.

As I'm sure you are aware, Windows help forums are full of people claiming that they didn't know they had to:

• Install an AV (and use it)
• Check for spyware
• Make backups of their data
• Download updates
• Avoid installing every program they blunder across on the Internet
• Avoid clicking on links in emails
• etc.

Most users apparently have no interest in even the most basic operational aspects of a PC.

The reason Windows help forums exist, is because MS has proven itself to be completely incapable of:

• Explaining how Windows works (to ordinary users)
• Providing useful help files

As an example, the "Getting Started" video about Libraries (in W7) requires a user to install Silverlight.

I will try to stop this debate over semantics, I just want to say this:

Ignorance is also a decision. Windows uses default save locations, it's up to user to decide which those locations are. Of course there has to be a Plan B in case the user has made the decision either to ignore finding out how to change those or is too lazy to care. In addition, to guarantee the functionality, Windows of course needs to have a set location to start with when it is installed, until it after first OOBE boot arrives at a point where the user can start using his / her right to decide.

Be it a known decision to use for instance the Documents folder as default save location in Documents library, or ignorance or laziness, it is always the decision made by user. A decision is something which can be reverted, changed; Windows cannot change the default locations by itself, it cannot make that decision. It's always the user, as said earlier through a known decision, ignorance or laziness.

A good example is when you create a new library, let's say you want a library for your PDF-files, create it naming it PDF. If Windows would be able to decide the default save location for this library it would create a folder or add an existing folder to that library and mark it as save location. However, as Windows is totally incapable to make this decision it can't do it, the library PDF does not contain any folders before the user makes the decision.

Dave, your response reveals it once again: even experienced users have issues in using libraries due misunderstanding them, wrong way to handle them, taking them for something they are not. There are no duplicates, libraries do not create nor cause any duplicates. Absolutely not. Claiming that to be the case means the user has not understand or has misused them.