can you have Live Tiles on Desktop and can it be disabled in start?

Any way at all to have live tiles be on the desktop instead of in start menu? I don't undertand why MS tucked the live tiles into start menu? If they are afraid that it would interfere with desktop icons, then they should make live tiles be dockable or make it so that a live tile and desktop icon cannot occupy the same space on the desktop. Terrible idea to tuck live tiles into start menu!! The whole idea of live tiles is so you can see it live!!! Is it just me alone on this?

Also, is there anyway to completely take live tiles away from start menu?

Ok I figured out how to take out all the live tiles in start menu but uncheck and undock each one and then resize the start menu to take out all the space left that used to be occupied by the tiles.

But still haven't figure out how to get the tiles onto the desktop.