Strange behavior noticed lately Win 10 ver 1909 18363.1139, AND RANT

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Today I log on, computer almost instantly goes into automatic backup (which is scheduled for the 15th every month). Cancelled that backup and turned it off (the auto backup). Now, every time I exit Edge, it says there is a problem and goes through the 'notifying MS' box. Finally, when I plug my scanner (radio scanner) the floppy drive goes into spasms (trying to read/write). I have 'paused' the 2004 update that is being pushed recently (because it was causing network problems associated with disconnecting my WiFi) until more people have had their machines updated to the 2004 version being pushed into their machines, to see if they are having continued problems already posted in the forum. I understand many have had an extremely long update issue with this 2004 update but some are also having issues as well.

WTH is MS doing to their flagship? Seems they continue to either get unqualified programmers OR push updates long before fully testing the damn thing. One thing that I have been tracking for months, every time I clear my Edge cache/history the machine sends a large amount of information EVERY TIME! WTH is that for? I suspect it is MS receiving the history of where and when I visit. I have also noticed IE-11 for quite a while before going to Edge due to websites not working with it any more (which I still use while the sites I visit can still process it) also dump data onto the outgoing connection (through my WiFi status window). WHY did my machine go into a backup off schedule? WHY should my floppy activate when I plug something into my USB (scanner cable)? Why does Edge crash lately when closing it? I def am not letting MS update this PC to 2004 until I am confident the damn thing leaves my network (WiFi) connected.

Could MS be pushing to upgrade to 2004 (I keep calling it 2004 since I can't see what I am putting off, hope you understand what I mean) by screwing ppl's equipment through annoying random crapola?? Over 90 MB received by my machine since I closed my connection and came back online just coming into here to vent by questioning the current things I am experiencing.

So, there it is. It's finally piled up to this point. BTW, Malwarebytes continually finds NOTHING on my system that would cause it to do these annoying things. I don't like or have many third party software installed (and those I do have a LONG record of not being malware or spyware which doesn't have any problems running). EVERY PROBLEM I have with this PC and the three laptops is with MS and their crazy stupid ways of updating and patching their expensive crap!

BTW, I am LOCKED into windows. I DO NOT WISH TO MOVE TO ANY OTHER OS. Those who reply sarcastically that I should go somewhere else for an OS, bugger off (putting it mildly). Just because you pick apart and find ways to bypass and pick apart MS programs (which might, just might, be why MS is doing this way of updating their OS), doesn't mean I have to. Someone must tell MS their OS isn't working right, someone has to call it out for what it is. Seems every time a new OS comes out, older hardware doesn't work any more, and newer hardware gets buggy. It's like MS wants to push new hardware, hardware folks want to push their new hardware, and back to MS pushing newer OS's (all in cooperation either expressed or 'wink and a nod'). The final really screwed up thing, everyone points their fingers at everyone else when the crapola hits the damn fan (its a hardware issue, its a driver issue, its a programming issue, its a 'hey you need to spend more' issue....). FUBAR and KMA (both all rolled into one!).


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I agree that OS updates could be smoother. This last time I had to put Windows on an USB to update one of my four PCs. That process worked fine but if the system knew it could take the update it is pretty sloppy that it wouldn't without my help.

That said I have four PCs that work just fine. One that's 3.5 years old and 3 that are about 2 years old. I even have a dirt cheap Beelink Mini PC that I've just installed two Linux distros on twice (four installs), gave up on Linux (yay) and re-installed Windows 10 on it. Can't break the thing or the OS despite it being a Celeron wonder.

"Seems every time a new OS comes out, older hardware doesn't work any more, and newer hardware gets buggy."

It is my experience that many PC users believe buying new hardware is a giant nuisance. As in, "It just shouldn't be that way!" And so they hold onto aging hardware and issues eventually arise and they get angry. This is true of old Macs, too. They brag that they've had their hardware for 10 years but conveniently forget that the last 5 years have been miserable.

I don't know if this applies to you. It's just advice I share with anyone. Computers aren't made to last.

I also believe if you're not running SFCs and Windows Defender and Malwarebytes and blocking ads in your web browsers... any PC user is a sitting duck. Especially in the SFC department.

Sorry you're having a rough ride.

I try to unload hardware on eBay at the 3 year mark. Take that money and 'discount' a new moderately priced PC. In this way I never rip anything open and upgrade as I go along.

spunk said:

What is the Make and Model# of your Computer or Motherboard? From your description, it sounds like your computer is quite old?
BTW Windows 10 2004 has been upgraded to 20H2 as of last month, and should be pushed via Windows Update soon.
After a Windows 10 Upgrade, some 3rd party devices may need a new driver update.Check with your device manufacturer for updated Drivers for your device and computer.
IE11 is no longer supported by Microsoft and just about any web site you go to. You should use the new Edge Chromium or any other modern browser (ie) Chrome Firefox etc.
If you are not using your Floppy Disk drive, you can Disable it in the Device Manger, or just unplug it entirely from the computer.. Floppies are from the last century, they have not been included in new computer builds for a very long time now and they are not relevant because of the capacity of Floppy is so small.

Main computer is listed in my hardware profile. Although it isn't posted exactly , it is a ( GA-G41M-ES2H (rev. 1.0) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global ). It is a home-build. It (the system) should not be relevant because the three win 10 NEWER (last few years) laptops are fully capable (and the homebuild does work FULLY with win 10, just all 4 systems lately are EXTREMELY BUGGY) Speaking of that I need to drop the two win 7 laptops off my profile, as they don't go online any more because I cannot get newer OS or hardware that WORKS given its HARDWARE limitations. Maybe, just maybe, they can be used some more but I guess a sledge hammer is in their future. Surely, you read my entire post? The last part of my post TITLE was "RANT", I've been using computers long before my first home computer in 1995, the rest of your reply is generic page filler.


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The Pool Man said:

I agree that OS updates could be smoother. This last time I had to put Windows on an USB to update one of my four PCs. That process worked fine but if the system knew it could take the update it is pretty sloppy that it wouldn't without my help.

That said I have four PCs that work just fine. One that's 3.5 years old and 3 that are about 2 years old. I even have a dirt cheap Beelink Mini PC that I've just installed two Linux distros on twice (four installs), gave up on Linux (yay) and re-installed Windows 10 on it. Can't break the thing or the OS despite it being a Celeron wonder.

"Seems every time a new OS comes out, older hardware doesn't work any more, and newer hardware gets buggy."

It is my experience that many PC users believe buying new hardware is a giant nuisance. As in, "It just shouldn't be that way!" And so they hold onto aging hardware and issues eventually arise and they get angry. This is true of old Macs, too. They brag that they've had their hardware for 10 years but conveniently forget that the last 5 years have been miserable.

I don't know if this applies to you. It's just advice I share with anyone. Computers aren't made to last.

I also believe if you're not running SFCs and Windows Defender and Malwarebytes and blocking ads in your web browsers... any PC user is a sitting duck. Especially in the SFC department.

Sorry you're having a rough ride.

I try to unload hardware on eBay at the 3 year mark. Take that money and 'discount' a new moderately priced PC. In this way I never rip anything open and upgrade as I go along.

Thanks poolman, suffice to say it is VERY sad ppl have to replace very expensive hardware within a few years window. Since it has been a few months since I had to roll back one of my machines from 2004, I think I'll try it on one of my older laptops (the oldest), and see if the USB WiFi adapter I have (Realtek 802.11A/C latest driver) is still bugging out. IF it is still crapping the network connection, I just might have to do something else besides extending the 'install date' on my two 10 Pro machines (the PC and the oldest laptop). BTW, as a matter of fact, I have found I MUST run SFC every time I 'update' and find problems, that seems to smother problems until the next issue (except for those strange file dumps on the WiFi after clearing histories/cache's). I also run defender every day (including the defender updates before even doing anything AND scanning system before shutdown). BTW, I cannot tell you how many times a strange pop-up comes, I then use task manager to close the offending program (usually IE or Edge). After those I scan and shut down (hard shutdown, Shift + Start/Power/ShutDown ). There isn't much else I can do given our situation here that's for sure. Might have to learn a different OS, and OMG I am not ready for THAT! Thanks for the reply, more to come with the older Win 10 Pro laptop with the 'latest' safe (hahahahaha we shall see) 2004?????

Regretting all those late-night search and destroy (meaning search out and fix) missions to come!



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mega10user said:

... it is VERY sad ppl have to replace very expensive hardware within a few years window....

That's a position I find hard to recognise. Of my half dozen machines all bar two are running 20H2 with no problems, all hardware is fully functional on the drivers supplied by Windows Update. The remaining two are still on 2004 only because the phased rollout hasn't yet got round to offering them the October feature update. The two machines in my specs below are on 20H2 and are two of my oldest, 2011 and 2009 respectively.

Some thoughts --

"Thanks poolman, suffice to say it is VERY sad ppl have to replace very expensive hardware within a few years window."

It depends what you mean by 'very expensive'. I spent 29 years with Apple. I could afford only on Mac at a time. I prefer desktops, which meant iMacs. When I sold them three years later I got a lot of money back. NOT because they have better resale value but because I spent more in the first place.

When I switched to PCs I could suddenly afford one nice desktop (i5 Asus Vivomini PC and Asus Designo 25 inch 2K monitor) and an additional laptop (Ryzen 5 Lenovo Flex 14) for the same price as one iMac.

I hope you're not one of those people who believe you must buy an AMAZING Dell (top dollar) and then hold onto it as long as possible to justify the expensive up front price. This is how Mac people think and I think they're crazy. If you eyeball Lenovo and Asus you can end up with all the laptop you need for under $1000... sometimes under $799... and sometimes under $599.

I don't consider (say) $699 expensive if you know you're getting $250 (or better) back on eBay three years later. Because that's $150 a year for a computer with up to date-ish spec that will likely run fine (or at least pretty good) and then your next $599 PC will come with a $250 discount -- costing you $349.

I'll say this: if the used car market wasn't a racket I'd sell cars when they're 10 years old the way I sell PCs at 3. The problem is you don't much for used cars which is mindboggling. (I don't put tons of miles on my cars and they're like new at year 10. ARGGGGHH.)

"I'll try it on one of my older laptops (the oldest)"

I wish I could tell you to try Linux. I was playing with something called Zorin which was AMAZING... until I realized that no matter how conservative and cautious you are... it will break itself within 2 weeks. Same for Ubuntu Mate, which is specifically designed for older hardware. Avoid like the Covid.

"I have found I MUST run SFC every time I 'update' and find problems, that seems to smother problems until the next issue"

Bingo

"BTW, I cannot tell you how many times a strange pop-up comes, I then use task manager to close the offending program (usually IE or Edge)"

I believe most real PC people would tell you to uninstall IE yesterday. Seriously. And I dabble with Edge and appreciate it uses less RAM than other browsers but unfortunately it's still buggy. I'd recommend Firefox.

By the by -- I'm the type of person that does a ton of uninstalling with Windows 10. Office, OneDrive, IE, Cortana, some of those stupid Start Menu apps (like 'MS News') and absolutely any preinstalled Norton. In their place is LibreOffice, Firefox, Chrome, and Google Back Up and Sync. I don't know if this is helping my relatively smooth sailing... but I thought I'd share.

Meaning in a heartbeat you could do a reinstall of the OS and not get annoyed. Right now I'm typing on my pathetic little Beelink and when I re-installed Windows it's twice as fast when it was. Either Redmond has improved things or maybe a nice fresh reinstall is all the Doctor ordered.

(shrugging shoulders)

I'd make one PC your primary (where you do real work and store things that need to be backed up) and make your other PCs 'expendable'. That is: my other PCs are basically 'netbooks' or 'Chromebooks'. Specific Example --

-- all my music is stored and maintained on my main PC. I have a copy uploaded to YouTube Music (free service) and then I pin that web page to my other PCs as 'apps'. So they store ZERO songs but have access to all of them.



The red app on the right? That's YouTube music pinned. So I have a shortcut to all my music 'maintained' on my main PC. Photos? The icon directly to the left. Same concept. From my phone photos upload to Google Photos. They store it for free. Then, on any new PC, I just pin that page as an app to my taskbar and all my photos are there. Gmail, Yahoo, Contacts, Calendar, Keep, Maps, Facebook Messenger. All stored in the cloud, installed in seconds.

So I'm only holding my breath on one of my PCs. Meaning one must work well, the other three... not so much.

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Well, again.. Updated to 2004 20H2 and now there is an automatic windows IE-11 redirect to Edge. It is a never ending story with the pushing that MS does. The latest 2004 seems stable (so far) on that older laptop (10 Pro build 19042.630), seems they (MS) fixed the problem with the first 'push' of 2004 on the older laptop (with the WiFi shutting down and restarting constantly). SINCE 20H2 seems to be stable on the older laptop, I went ahead and attempted to update the HP laptop from 1909 to 2004 BUT after re-enabling updates it only 'patched/updated' 1901 to Build 18363.1198. I am guessing here BUT it seems MS isn't PUSHING 2004 to Windows 10 Home, YET????? Who knows.....


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This morning, the 5th time this shows up on win update. Was installed on 11 Nov 2020. Like I said, WTH..... Now an error code, 0x80070002. Guess the next few hours have to figure this out now. The web suggests running the win update troubleshooter so here goes! Yes, sfc already tried. No, nothing else... except the hint that it usually goes away and let some time go by. Times UP doncha think?

BEFORE SOMEONE JUMPS IN TO COMMENT, GIVE YOURSELF THE CHANCE TO READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE THIS ONE?

Reminds me of the DOD practice, R&D in the field. Doesn't matter who or what gets screwed up just so ppl see something come out.


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