W10 Fail

z3r010 said:

From a support point of view you should be pointing them all to the far superior Windows 10 that way there is only one OS to look after, however you may stop getting support calls after a while as it all just works.

I guess you haven't followed that I support all Windows OSes. Just because I don't like W8/W10 doesn't mean I don't have them installed on partitions. I have to learn them but I don't to like them. You have to be kidding, service calls stop coming in? That's tantamount to saying a new car has been released that will never need an oil change. Sure, it's coming-but it ain't here yet.

BunnyJ said:

AH,, no.. I doubt you will change many/any minds here. I would hope that people would at least try out 10 and if they like it they can keep it or roll back to their previous OS. Just saying that in your opinion no one should use it is silly. Let people decide themselves and then support them.

Jeff

Normally I would agree with you about "letting them find out for themselves". However, I am in my 60's and my clients range from 50 to 90 years old. The last thing they want or need is a "new" learning curve. I know them very personally, that's part of my service. Just me and them, no one in-between. That income is for my road trips, new computers, dining out and keeping our cars well maintained. And lots of KFC and Pizza takeout.

mousegolf said:

I was hoping for a "reduction" with the bells and whistles when I installed W10 yesterday. It saddens me that Microsoft did not listen to people about the traditional Start Menu--or at least, give the PC user the ability to change the Start Menu to look and behave exactly like Windows XP, Vista and 7. Not all three but carry on the fundamentals.

Change can be good but Microsoft continues to fail when looking at the OS for Desktop and Laptop computers. The analogy is so obvious too. People rely on their cars everyday to go from A to B and the configuration of the driving and shifting have been the same for nearly a century. Windows Desktop and Laptop users rely on the PC everyday for work, entertainment, research and discovery. The Start Menu is analogous to the driving mechanism of a car. Add a few features to the dashboard, sure, but don't reconfigure the fundamentals of how to drive the car.

I am guessing that 75% of Windows 7 users around the world will convert back to W7 (PC users). When it's time for Vista users to buy a new machine, I am speculating they will take the advice of people who experienced W8 and W10 and will shop online for Windows 7.

Microsoft needs to stop this madness. Unbelievable...

The only reason for Windows 10 fail is that they fired a lot of their top software developers, so these newbies have no clue on how to make a reliable OS.

I'm currently using Windows 8.1 and I love it, I was really hoping for Windows 10 to be compatible with internal software but it doesn't. My sound crashes upon install, AMD update for Windows 10 is garbage just leave it and let Windows find an update then it's fine.

Until they fix the software install issues, I'm not going to be installing it for some time maybe like 10 months and go from there.

If Microsoft is thinking that I should go out and buy a newer soundcard or Motherboard GL they better contact these Manufacturers about upgrading the software for Windows 10.

Boozad said:

That's where your credibility ended.

Too funny and redundant. I never had credibility with your ilk anyway. Don't need it. Just want to make sure there is a balance of pro/con input in this forum. The average computer user could care less about coming here and posting their experiences with any Windows OS. They just want whatever they have, repaired and optimized.

You're a loyalist here and the other forum loyalists and champions of new Windows OSes are going to automatically not like my thoughts. I'm not here to please anyone. I am here to express subjective experiences.

I don't even throw major zingers. The guy was not a professional, that was easy for you to see as well. BUT, he doesn't need to be a professional. He, like many in forums around the world "have an opinion". Just like you and me.

CountMike said:

Still waiting for at least partial list of those "Bell and whistles" refereed to.

I'm a bit old and I hate change. Change is not good. Change sucks but it is necessary. If I can deal with it I'm sure you can.

At first I was like...You have go to be joking. Then as I looked closer I saw how I could customize it for me. I can also put my most used things on the start menu so my old ass can see them better. BIG BLOCKS. lol

No..., but for real. I like it because it's customizable. WIN, Plus when I get my new tablet and phone I won't be 100% lost. YAY

No, I do not work for Microsoft. I'm just an old guy that likes things to work and be easy. : )

Now if they can just stop this Cortana girl from yelling at me I think I'll be just fine. : )

mousegolf said:

I am guessing that 75% of Windows 7 users around the world will convert back to W7 (PC users). When it's time for Vista users to buy a new machine, I am speculating they will take the advice of people who experienced W8 and W10 and will shop online for Windows 7.

Nah... not quite.

I've been a Windows 7 user for many years until yesterday - my upgrade path has been DOS -> Windows 95 -> Windows XP -> Windows 7 -> Windows 10, and hating all the in-between versions (well, I've used Linux as well but that's a different story).

When Windows 8 came out I of course had to try it, but I absolutely detested it, with its "Metro UI" and the touch-centrism which might be fine for a tablet but NOT for a dual-monitor high-end PC workstation with keyboard/mouse as the primary interface. It totally sucked. Windows 8.1 was an attempt to fix that I guess, but a huge fail IMO, and although I did try it, I reverted to Windows 7 after less than a week.

Now with Windows 10, I had some technical issues, (see the Hardware/drivers forum), but from the UI perspective, Windows 10 is a clear win over Windows 7 (and everything in between). The first thing I did was to delete all the "tile" shortcuts from the start menu, and started to pin things there that I actually use. The result is that I still have "My computer" (now renamed "This PC", but that still works for me) , and shortcuts to the programs I use the most, just as I did in my old Start menu, but it's more visually appealing. Notice that for example when you pin "This PC" to the start menu, you can actually still right click and choose properties, etc., like in Win 7, so it's not a half-hearted goofed up attempt at making it flexible - it actually works.

Also the way Win 10 deals with multiple monitors is an improvement, now I can actually "maximize to half screen" also on the side of the screen that faces the one next to it, which is super useful for having a tiled layout, and there's a small resistance when dragging things across (there are some issues remaining with dealing with different zoom levels on the two monitors, but that's minor). The start menu and task bar, and the overall visual impression of 10, is excellent. It's a bit like 7 but with some of the unnecessary cruft trimmed off. The UI is fast and it's smooth.

One thing I positively hate, is that they try to force you to sign into Windows with your Microsoft ID just to be able to use Cortana. On the Feedback app you can choose to sign into Microsoft just for that app, and Cortana should be the same. Still, the solution is simple (even if a bit sucky) - don't use Cortana, which is what I'm doing until someone comes up with a better way to fix this. So here, MS still is trying to change our behaviour by way of software restrictions, but in a much smaller and less obnoxious way than they did with 8, or even 8.1. At least it's progress.

So overall, quite happy with 10 so far, except for the technical issues I mentioned, and it's a keeper for me. Time to move on, Windows 7 was great but we need to progress, and 10 seems like a decent attempt at that, once some of the issues get ironed out.

- Thomas