Clone HDD with Optane Memory enabled

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  1. Posts : 68
    Inspiron 530: Windows 7 (64), XPS 8920: Windows 10 (64)
       #1

    Clone HDD with Optane Memory enabled


    I have a Dell XPS 8920 (circa 2017) with the Dell OEM 1TB HDD as boot drive (Drive C), and with Optane Memory enabled ("paired" to the boot drive). I also have a second internal drive, 2TB HDD. (Drive D)
    I want to replace the 1TB HDD OEM drive with a new 2TB HDD drive, after I clone the OEM drive. (I will temporarily remove the current 2TB "D" drive.)
    Assuming that I clone the boot drive while Optane Memory is enabled:
    1. Do I need to disable Optane Memory before swapping the drives, or will the system recognize the cloned (2TB) boot drive after the swap?
    2. If the system will reboot from the cloned 2TB replacement, will the "Rescan" process pick up the data for the new boot drive?

    Clone HDD with Optane Memory enabled-optane_memory_and_oem_drive_3.jpg

    In the image above, the "SATA (932 GB)" is the current boot 1TB HDD drive.

    Windows 10 Version 21H1 (OS Build 19043.1052)

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  2. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
       #2

    To be as safe as possible I would suggest disabling Optane pairing, clone and replace the drive (image/ restore and replace might be better depending on how you are doing it), then re enable Optane once the swap is made.
    One point to be aware of is that the Optane module requires at least 5Mb of unallocated space at the end of the system drive to store configuration data, depending on the software you use and the method used to clone the drive this 5Mb may not be left over on the replacement drive for Optane to use.
    Before making any changes I suggest disabling Optane and making a system image first and checking the Intel Community Forums for advice as to how to proceed.
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  3. Posts : 68
    Inspiron 530: Windows 7 (64), XPS 8920: Windows 10 (64)
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       #3

    Pejole2165,

    Thank you for the quick reply. I was not sure whether the pairing information was kept on the hard drive, or somewhere in the Optane memory. Since Dell was big into the Intel Optane technology, I posted my question on the Dell Community Forum. I will also post it on the Intel website.

    Since I will be cloning a 1TB drive to the new 2Tb drive, there should be plenty of room at the end of the new drive for Optane to do its thing.

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  4. Posts : 11,627
    Windows11 Home 64bit v:23H2 b:22631.3374
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    Hi @noquiexis,

    Pejole2165 has given a sound advice especially about leaving some unallocated space at the end of the disk for Optane.

    On my Optane enabled 1TB disk the unallocated space is 9 MB. Since your disk will be 2TB, I would advise that you leave 20MB unallocated space ( to be safe) at the end.

    After you clone the 1TB system disk to the 2TB disk , boot from it before enabling the Optane. Do not leave a large unallocated space. Make sure you leave only 20MB unallocated space at the end. ( you can create a simple volume in any unallocated space, leaving only 20 MB unallocated space at the end.)

    The point is before you enable Optane, you should make sure that only 20MB unallocated space is there at the end for Optane to use. Then enable Optane. It will erase all old data it holds and start using the limited 20MB unallocated space for whatever it wants to write in there.
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  5. Posts : 68
    Inspiron 530: Windows 7 (64), XPS 8920: Windows 10 (64)
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       #5

    jumanji,

    Many thanks! I can use all the advice I can get! I did post this question on the Intel Community forum, and got some great advice there, too.

    From n_scott_pearson:
    "You need to disable Optane before doing anything else. Only then will the contents be flushed to the HDD and the HDD ready for cloning."

    Apparently the system information is on the Optane SSD (to which users have no access*). Some of that information is on the HDD (to which users have no access*).

    You wrote, "On my Optane enabled 1TB disk the unallocated space is 9 MB. Since your disk will be 2TB, I would advise that you leave 20MB unallocated space ( to be safe) at the end."

    Here is my internal HDD configuration:

    Clone HDD with Optane Memory enabled-internal_hard_drives.jpg

    The 1.12GB partition must be the Intel area. The 12.9Gb partition must be the Windows Recovery area.
    I will be using Seagate DiscWizard to perform the cloning operation. It appears to have the capability of resizing partitions during the clone.

    Note: My Dell XPS 8920 come with the Intel Optane Memory already enabled. I installed the second internal drive before my first boot. How Drive 0 became "D" and Drive 1 became "C" (boot drive) is a bit of a mystery. All I did was to plug in the cables for the new drive. It works, so that is all that matters.

    From AlHill:
    "And, if you intend on cloning a system drive to put into some other machine, do not do that."

    From what I have read, Windows 10 has some code that ties it to the motherboard, to keeps people from installing illegal copies of Windows. My other computer (Dell Insipron 530, circa 2009. Primarily boots into Windows 7) already has the 'free' copy of Windows 10 on it, but I almost never boot into that hard drive (changed through BIOS).

    * This 'should' prevent users from FUBARing their systems. Wherever there i a 'foolproof' system, there is some fool who will prove it.
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  6. Posts : 68
    Inspiron 530: Windows 7 (64), XPS 8920: Windows 10 (64)
    Thread Starter
       #6

    Update 2 July 2021

    The 'new' HDD (Seagate ST2000DM008, 2TB) that I ordered from Amazon was actually a "Recertified Product" (translation: "Used"). It arrived 1 July 2021.

    I first disabled Optane, then removed my current "D" drive (ST2000DM008, 2TB) and installed the new HDD in its place.I tried to use the Seagate Recovery Boot disk, but the program could not Lock drive C, so I booted into Windows 10 and used that version of DiskWizard. The cloning operation did reboot into DOS (the Seagate GUI) and did its job.

    When the program finished, I let it reboot the system, rather than shut it down. I wanted to check the new disk before swapping the drives. The system hung before the Windows Lock Screen image showed. I assumed that was because both drives were labeled "C".

    After I shut down, swapped the drives, and re-installed my "D" drive, the system still froze before showing the Lock Screen image. Now I was getting worried. I booted into the Windows 10 Recovery DVD and tried to "Repair Files that keep Windows from starting" (or whatever it is called). No joy. I went into DOS (Command Prompt) from the Recovery DVD and verified that drive "C" actually had files on it. I also discovered that the system no longer recognized my original "D" drive. By now I was freaking out.

    After a few hours of pulling my hair out (about 4 am), I removed the new "boot' drive and re-installed my OEM boot drive (Seagate ST1000DM010, 1TB). The system did boot into Windows 10, although dog-slow without the help from Optane, and my "D" drive came back. (The actress on my desktop wallpaper never looked so good!)

    Tomorrow (3 July), when my nerves calm down, I will Disable Optane, disconnect both of my internal HDDs, and try the new 'boot' disk by itself. I figure that either

    a) the used disk has some problems, or

    b) something went afoul during the cloning operation.

    Maybe the Windows system files did not get properly recorded. If nothing else, I will try to format the disk, to see if it is usable. For now, I did re-enable Optane to make life easier.

    Stay tuned for further details.

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  7. Posts : 920
    Windows 10 Pro
       #7

    Well you are doing the right thing by disabling Optane, the less things to try to troubleshoot the better.
    Does DiskWizard have the option to create a system image rather than cloning? Does it allow the creation of a USB/ DVD boot recovery disk?
    I would create a disk image of the boot disk, preferably saved to an external HDD, unplug all unnecessary drives, then apply the image to the new boot disk, shutdown, unplug the old boot disk (if using a USB/ DVD rescue disk you can remove all but the new disk when restoring the system image), and see if the system boots.
    If it does then add any supplemental drives, check the boot status of the system again (a couple of times, especially from a cold boot, not just a restart), once you are sure the system works re enable Optane.
    If you have the option of using a USB/ DVD boot disk to both create and restore the system image I would go that root.
    You could also try Macrium Reflect Free which does allow creation of USB/ DVD rescue media and also has a "fix boot" option which many users have found works well. The only reason I suggest Macrium is that there are a lot of forum posts and guides/ tutorials for using it here.
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  8. Posts : 68
    Inspiron 530: Windows 7 (64), XPS 8920: Windows 10 (64)
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    Pejole2165,

    You asked, "Does DiskWizard have the option to create a system image rather than cloning? Does it allow the creation of a USB/ DVD boot recovery disk?"

    I did mention that I used the Seagate Recovery Boot disk. This is a DVD. (Writable CDs have all but disappeared where I shop - Wal Mart). This is a Linux-based bootable DVD, which I booted into on my first attempt at cloning the OEM boot drive. The program on the DVD could not "Lock Drive C" and failed at that point. I booted into Windows 10 and used that version of DiskWizard to attempt the clone.

    The
    Seagate DiskWizard User's Guide, section 15 "
    Transferring the system to a new disc" (cloning) states:

    "
    There are two transfer modes available: automatic and manual.In the automatic mode, you will only have to take a few simple steps to transfer all the data,including partitions, folders and files, to a new {larger} disc, making it bootable if the original disc wasbootable.There will be only one difference between these discs – partitions on the newer disc will be larger.Everything else, including the installed operating systems, data, disc labels, settings, software andeverything else on the disc, will remain the same."

    The manual mentions backing up the system partition and
    backing up the entire system disc, but does not state that it can
    create a system image. The Windows 10 can do that. {Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Backup and Restore (Windows 7)}

    The manual states that:

    Seagate DiscWizard has been tested on the following operating systems:Windows XP SP3Windows XP Professional x64 Edition SP2Windows Vista SP2 (all editions)Windows 7 (all editions)
    but does not mention Windows 10

    It also claims to support:

    FAT16/32NTFS <-- my OEM boot driveExt2/Ext3 *ReiserFS *

    After the scare of 'losing' my Drive 0 "D" yesterday, I will take your advice and unplug all of my other drives (including my current boot drive) before making a second attempt at booting with this 'new' (although
    "Recertified Product" - translation: "Used") drive. If that disk will not boot all the way into Windows 10, I will format the drive with the Windows 10 Recovery Disk (DVD). If I can at least get this 'new' drive to work at all, I will make another attempt to clone my boot drive to it. If all else fails, I will low-level format the drive and return it to Amazon.
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  9. Posts : 11,627
    Windows11 Home 64bit v:23H2 b:22631.3374
       #9

    noquiexis said:
    jumanji,

    Here is my internal HDD configuration:

    Clone HDD with Optane Memory enabled-internal_hard_drives.jpg

    The 1.12GB partition must be the Intel area. The 12.9Gb partition must be the Windows Recovery area.
    Just my observation.

    Your system drive does not seem to have an unallocated space at the end.I don't know what Pejole2165 thinks about it. Am I missing something?

    My System drive where you can see the 9MB unallocated space at the end.:

    Clone HDD with Optane Memory enabled-03-07-2021-19-41-04.jpg

    The 990MB partition is WinRETools. The 12GB partition is the Factory Image. The 1.2GB partiton is DELLSUPPORT, 9MB unallocated space at the end.

    It is best viewed in MiniTool Partition Wizard.

    Clone HDD with Optane Memory enabled-03-07-2021-19-39-14.jpg

    About the cloning process to be employed: I hadn't cloned anything till now, much less an Optane enabled drive. So I shall keep my mouth shut and won't comment on it, leaving it to Pejole2165 and other experts

    Note: When I got my Optane + 1TB HDD Dell Inspiron in Dec 2019, I had taken the advice of Pejole1265 on shrinking C: partitioning it for data drives D: E: F: G: H: on it.
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