What are the best settings from my RAM?

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  1. Posts : 99
    Win 10 Pro (2004)
       #1

    What are the best settings from my RAM?


    So a while ago I started having BSODs. I disabled any overclocking I did and just left my RAM at 3200Mhz by enabling DOCP and leaving everything as is. So no voltage changes, nothing.After many hours of troubleshooting, I finally decided to run Memtest86 which aborted the test due to too many errors. I thought the RAM is faulty for sure, so I consulted here and on other forums about what are my options.

    The main suggestion was to test whats at fault exactly, so for my testing:

    1. Pulled out one RAM stick, ran Memtest86 (which took 2 hours to complete), 0 errors. At this point, I thought the other stick is faulty, since previously it aborted the test after over 10k errors! But I continued.
    2. I swapped the working stick from the previous stage and inserted him to the "faulty" one's slot. I thought it might also be the MB slot. Ran the test, 0 errors. So I concluded both slots are fine, which only leaves the stick.
    3. I inserted the "faulty" stick back and ran the test. Once again, 0 errors.



    Now I'm wondering two things:
    1. Why was I getting over 10k errors in my first ever test which I ran a few weeks back, but now everything seems fine? Could it be the stick wasn't inserted properly?
    2. Now that there are no RAM issues, even when I leave the speed at 3200mhz, what settings can I change to make it as stable and as factory recommended as possible?



    Here is my rig:
    Ryzen 5 3600
    ASUS TUF B450M Plus Gaming
    Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16
    EVGA RTX 2070 SuperAntec EA750G Pro 750W Gold
    Win 10 Pro 2004

    Here are some screenshots from CPU-Z:



    I'm afraid to touch settings in the BIOS without confirmation from more knowledgeable people. I read that I can change the voltage, tRC, and a few other settings to make sure my RAM is as stable as it gets, while still running at 3200mhz.
    Any tips would be great :)​
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  2. Posts : 2,735
    Windows 10
       #2

    You are overclocking, the XMP profile as you see is 3200 MHz and at a higher voltage 1.35 V.
    The chip specs are the JEDEC profiles which are up to a max of 2132 MHz at 1.2 V, profile #8.

    That is a large overclock. The thing is, has Corsair actually used chips from a higher performance bin in these memory modules.
    To run at rated frequency you would use the max JEDEC profile #8 at 2132 MHz.

    The fact you got errors is not so surprising using the XMP profile. Whether these are 'faulty modules' is a grey area.

    Testing modules one at a time does mean much. When you use 2 they are in dual channel mode assuming they are in the correct sockets.
    Even then there will be slight electrical differences depending on the MOBO for the different pairs of slots. Modules do not work in isolation from other MOBO components either.

    Other people's modules will be from different production batches, so minute changes in timings are highly unlikely to be any use to you.
    You have to remember that these minute changes, even if possible to do reliably, will have no measurable effect on your PC performance.
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  3. Posts : 99
    Win 10 Pro (2004)
    Thread Starter
       #3

    Helmut said:
    You are overclocking, the XMP profile as you see is 3200 MHz and at a higher voltage 1.35 V.
    The chip specs are the JEDEC profiles which are up to a max of 2132 MHz at 1.2 V, profile #8.

    That is a large overclock. The thing is, has Corsair actually used chips from a higher performance bin in these memory modules.
    To run at rated frequency you would use the max JEDEC profile #8 at 2132 MHz.

    The fact you got errors is not so surprising using the XMP profile. Whether these are 'faulty modules' is a grey area.

    Testing modules one at a time does mean much. When you use 2 they are in dual channel mode assuming they are in the correct sockets.
    Even then there will be slight electrical differences depending on the MOBO for the different pairs of slots. Modules do not work in isolation from other MOBO components either.

    Other people's modules will be from different production batches, so minute changes in timings are highly unlikely to be any use to you.
    You have to remember that these minute changes, even if possible to do reliably, will have no measurable effect on your PC performance.
    Thanks for the detailed reply, but what do I take from the eventually? Do I reset everything to stock and leave it as is? Can't I use 3200Mhz at all without BSODs?
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  4. Posts : 6,361
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
       #4

    Helmut said:
    You are overclocking, the XMP profile as you see is 3200 MHz and at a higher voltage 1.35 V.
    The chip specs are the JEDEC profiles which are up to a max of 2132 MHz at 1.2 V, profile #8.

    That is a large overclock. The thing is, has Corsair actually used chips from a higher performance bin in these memory modules.
    To run at rated frequency you would use the max JEDEC profile #8 at 2132 MHz.

    I agree.


    From 2132 to 3200 is a 50% overclock. As you're having problems, I would set it to run at base frequency (2132) to see if you don't get the freezes or BSODs.
    - You can manually set a frequency, timings and voltage, lower than XMP.
    - You can call Corsair and ask for suggestions and / or a replacement.
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  5. Posts : 99
    Win 10 Pro (2004)
    Thread Starter
       #5

    Megahertz said:

    I agree.


    From 2132 to 3200 is a 50% overclock. As you're having problems, I would set it to run at base frequency (2132) to see if you don't get the freezes or BSODs.
    - You can manually set a frequency, timings and voltage, lower than XMP.
    - You can call Corsair and ask for suggestions and / or a replacement.
    Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the whole point of having a 3200mhz supported Mobo + RAM means I can comfortable use 3200mhz? Or was I supposed to buy RAM that has 3200mhz as the default frequency?
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  6. Posts : 23,293
    Win 10 Home ♦♦♦19045.4355 (x64) [22H2]
       #6

    BDani said:
    Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the whole point of having a 3200mhz supported Mobo + RAM means I can comfortable use 3200mhz? Or was I supposed to buy RAM that has 3200mhz as the default frequency?


    DOCP is the problem. Disable, or set to Auto, w/e
    As for the RAM, set it to the XMP-3200 specs (set to 3200Mhz, and all 5 timings and the voltage).


    Just went through this myself, on a brand new ASUS mobo, with the latest BIOS.


    Also, there's no need to overclock these Ryzen 3000 series chips. Just leave everything set to the defaults.
    Just manually set the RAM frequency, timings and voltage. Don't use DOCP.
    And everything will work fine.



    Here's mine...

    What are the best settings from my RAM?-image1.png


    Like I've said twice now... you will need to set the frequency, all FIVE timings and the voltage... or it will cause problems.




    Well... in the BIOS it's actually SIX timings. I just guessed at the fourth 14. The rest I took right from CPU-Z



    What are the best settings from my RAM?-image1.png





    Yours will probably turn out to be... 16-18-18-18-36-54 (@3200Mhz and 1.35v) ...from the top down for the SIX settings.
    Last edited by Ghot; 18 Aug 2020 at 10:09.
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  7. Posts : 4,453
    Win 11 Pro 22000.708
       #7

    BDani said:
    Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the whole point of having a 3200mhz supported Mobo + RAM means I can comfortable use 3200mhz? Or was I supposed to buy RAM that has 3200mhz as the default frequency?
    As far as I know, no RAM has a 3200MHz default frequency.

    The QVL (qualified vendors list) for your board (TUF B450M-PLUS GAMING Memory / Device Support | Motherboards | ASUS USA) lists a version of the Corsair RAM. I wonder whether yours is the same version? (Shouldn't matter, but Asus tech support might give you a hard time if it isn't. If you could reach them in the COVID era.)

    I have a different board (Tuf Gaming X570 Plus). I didn't do RAM testing, but using DOCP caused frequent restarts when I went to BIOS 2407. (It was OK with earlier versions.) I'm now on 2607, and things seem OK.

    You may be able to get 3200MHz by adjusting the RAM timings. I'd start with backing off on the latency by a tick or two. (I'm no expert. I haven't played much with timings in a few years. I did it mainly to get some unmatched RAM pairs to run stably together.)
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  8. Posts : 6,361
    Windows 11 Pro - Windows 7 HP - Lubuntu
       #8

    BDani said:
    Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the whole point of having a 3200mhz supported Mobo + RAM means I can comfortable use 3200mhz? Or was I supposed to buy RAM that has 3200mhz as the default frequency?
    Yes, you're right, BUT you're having issues. As I wrote before:
    I would set it to run at base frequency (2132) to see if you don't get the freezes or BSODs.
    - You can manually set a frequency, timings and voltage, lower than XMP.
    - You can call Corsair and ask for suggestions and / or a replacement.
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  9. Posts : 5,899
    Win 11 Pro (x64) 22H2
       #9

    BDani said:
    Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't the whole point of having a 3200mhz supported Mobo + RAM means I can comfortable use 3200mhz?
    You're not missing anything and are correct - which is also why "XMP certified modules" are "guaranteed" to run at the expected XMP speeds, and are also warranted. Also, provided the motherboard supports said speeds. Thus, if you're getting errors with XMP certified modules you should look to replace/RMA them.

    Many people misunderstand XMP and assume these just overclocked modules without support. Though technically correct, in that they are "overclocked" from the "current" 2133 JEDEC spec, it is incorrect to assume they're not spec'd to run at those "overclocked" speeds. They are, and thus why they also come with a warranty for said speeds. So, again, if your XMP modules won't run at said speeds, and the board supports them, they should be replaced.

    I've been running XMP enabled modules for years and never had an issue where they needed to be "downgraded" from the XMP certified speeds. In fact both systems in my system specs run with XMP enabled RAM. One at 3600MHz, the other at 3466 speeds. Both sets (Corsair) are certified to run at those speeds, and both boards support those speeds.

    What are XMP profiles and how do I use them? | PC Gamer

    Hope this helps.
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  10. Posts : 5,453
    Windows 11 Home
       #10

    Make sure, you have the latest BIOS

    Version 2202 2020/07/17
    TUF B450M-PLUS GAMING BIOS 2202

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    Improve DRAM stability
    Improve system stability
    Improve system compatibility
    Fixed AI suite 3 issue
    Update AM4 AGESA to 1006
    Fixed HDMI and DP sound issue
    and the latest AMD Chipset drivers.

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