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  1. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 10
    windows 10
       04 Aug 2015 #1

    Windows Mail


    Hello Everyone; I'm one of the new kids on here so try putting up with my (silly?) questions if you will.

    Like many I've been very happily running Windows Mail (Not Windows Live Mail) on Windows 7. Today I've "upgraded" to Windows 10 Pro & whilst just about all of the software I had running on 7, continues to run on Windows 10 unfortunately Windows Mail will not. Has anyone yet managed to fix this (to me) very annoying problem? It was said that Windows Mail was only for Vista but some smart guys out there soon solved that & I'm hoping somebody has done the same again. I have alternatives but none are acceptable apart from reverting back to Windows 7.
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  2. Join Date : Jul 2015
    United States
    Posts : 7
    W10
       04 Aug 2015 #2

    Windows Live Mail works fine with W10. What is the difference between WLM and Windows Mail? Just curious. I agree that the packaged mail program is a problem: I can't find the Contacts for one. I have the same issue with Outlook for Android, with a twist. The Contacts are there, but I do not know where they are coming from or how to change them, and they do not match the Contacts in WLM. Microsoft seems to be having problems with their multiple versions of mail and compatibility.
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  3. Join Date : Nov 2013
    Central Florida
    Posts : 323
    Win 7 Pro/32, Win 10 Pro/64/32
       04 Aug 2015 #3

    Yes, W-10 sets Windows Mail to the level it was when it came out of MS.

    I did all the conversion (tweaks) to make it work in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1, then copied all the files in the Windows Mail program folder, in 8.1, to a folder on my Utilities disk (& Flash Drive).

    After W-10 has done its worse, I go in and with "Grant Admin Full control" running, I take ownership of all the files in the Windows Mail folder and then delete them (all).
    Then I copy all the Windows Mail files that I have stored on my Util's disk and paste them into the Windows Mail folder on the hard drive. Then I right-click on WinMail.exe and 'Send to Desktop, & create a shortcut". Job done.

    I can then import my saved address book and saved email folders. I've gotten the process down to less than five minutes.
    * It's important to always work with the files in the "Program Files" folder, regardless of whether you're running the 32 bit or 64 bit version of the OS.
    I can't pin down the exact file, but there is a difference between the files in the 32 bit version of Windows and the files used in the 64 bit version. I have them both, in two different folders, appropriately named.
    What works for Windows 8.1 also works for Windows 10. I've done it many times so far.

    good luck

    TechnoMage
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  4. Join Date : Sep 2014
    Posts : 285
    Windows 10 PRO 64Bit
       04 Aug 2015 #4

    I just set up a new system or a friend and he did not like Windows Mail. It was fine setting up a new Microsoft Outlook account but was miserable when it cam to setting up his ISP e-mail account that he was using with WLM. I installed WLM and it was fine setting up his ISP e-mail account but failed setting up his new MS Outlook e-mail account. Now he uses WLM for his e-mail and if he wants to see if he is getting anything on his Outlook.com account, he needs to startup the Internet Explorer.
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  5. Join Date : Jul 2015
    United States
    Posts : 7
    W10
       04 Aug 2015 #5

    Thanks TechnoMage for the information; I will have to dig into it. Actually,Outlook for Android is my main problem now; it really has issues. But, Microsoft is upgrading it nearly every week so maybe they will correct the Contacts problems.

    I wonder how much longer WLM will be supported? It still boots up as WLM 2012 even with a new install. I see a plug slowly being pulled from the wall up in Microsoft land.
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  6. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 10
    windows 10
       04 Aug 2015 #6

    TechnoMage said: View Post
    Yes, W-10 sets Windows Mail to the level it was when it came out of MS.

    I did all the conversion (tweaks) to make it work in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1, then copied all the files in the Windows Mail program folder, in 8.1, to a folder on my Utilities disk (& Flash Drive).

    After W-10 has done its worse, I go in and with "Grant Admin Full control" running, I take ownership of all the files in the Windows Mail folder and then delete them (all).
    Then I copy all the Windows Mail files that I have stored on my Util's disk and paste them into the Windows Mail folder on the hard drive. Then I right-click on WinMail.exe and 'Send to Desktop, & create a shortcut". Job done.

    I can then import my saved address book and saved email folders. I've gotten the process down to less than five minutes.
    * It's important to always work with the files in the "Program Files" folder, regardless of whether you're running the 32 bit or 64 bit version of the OS.
    I can't pin down the exact file, but there is a difference between the files in the 32 bit version of Windows and the files used in the 64 bit version. I have them both, in two different folders, appropriately named.
    What works for Windows 8.1 also works for Windows 10. I've done it many times so far.

    good luck

    TechnoMage
    Hi TechnoMage Are you certain you're talking about Windows Mail or are you talking about Windows Live Mail? There is a massive difference & it's not uncommon at all for some folks to be less than precise.

    I did notice that on my Win 10 upgrade all the files for Windows Mail were in the correct place in "Program Files" apart from the file Winmail.exe This I quickly "replaced" so I believed it was there....just not visible. To do this I had to "Take over" the folder. Also the shortcut on my Task bar was there. However, clicking the Task bar's shortcut or double clicking the exe file simply brought up a notice saying that the program couldn't run on the system. You can I hope, understand my query as to whether you're talking about WM or WLM. Thanks for the input.
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  7. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Toledo, Ohio
    Posts : 2
    Windows Vista (32), 7 (64), 10 (64)
       08 Aug 2015 #7

    FYI - I am multi-booting Windows Vista 32 bit, Windows 7 64 bit, and Windows 10 64 bit. Some programs and DOS games that run under Windows Vista will not run under Windows 7. So far I have everything from Windows 7 (with some upgrades and registry patches) running under Windows 10 except for Windows Mail.

    I did the workaround from Windows 7 Forums to get Windows Mail (WinMail.exe) to work on Windows 7. It comes up with "Windows Mail 2006". Since both Windows Mail 32 bit and 64 bit files are supplied with Windows 7 (7/13/2009, WinMail.exe 390kb) and Windows 10 (7/10/2015, WinMail.exe 407kb), it would seem that there should be another way to enable this program in Windows 10 without copying old files into the directories.

    1. After backing up my Windows Mail directories in Windows 10, I tried the workaround linked above to no avail. Windows Mail still did not start.

    2. I replaced the msoe.dll that the workaround changed with the Windows 10 file. I did not change the registry entries, but left them the way the workaround had them. After a restart, Windows Mail still does not open.

    If no one else comes up with a better idea, I may use TechnoMage's method as a last resort. I would really rather use the files that come with the Windows 10 upgrade.

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  8. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 10
    windows 10
       08 Aug 2015 #8

    noquiexis said: View Post
    FYI - I am multi-booting Windows Vista 32 bit, Windows 7 64 bit, and Windows 10 64 bit. Some programs and DOS games that run under Windows Vista will not run under Windows 7. So far I have everything from Windows 7 (with some upgrades and registry patches) running under Windows 10 except for Windows Mail.

    I did the workaround from Windows 7 Forums to get Windows Mail (WinMail.exe) to work on Windows 7. It comes up with "Windows Mail 2006". Since both Windows Mail 32 bit and 64 bit files are supplied with Windows 7 (7/13/2009, WinMail.exe 390kb) and Windows 10 (7/10/2015, WinMail.exe 407kb), it would seem that there should be another way to enable this program in Windows 10 without copying old files into the directories.

    1. After backing up my Windows Mail directories in Windows 10, I tried the workaround linked above to no avail. Windows Mail still did not start.

    2. I replaced the msoe.dll that the workaround changed with the Windows 10 file. I did not change the registry entries, but left them the way the workaround had them. After a restart, Windows Mail still does not open.

    If no one else comes up with a better idea, I may use TechnoMage's method as a last resort. I would really rather use the files that come with the Windows 10 upgrade.

    Hi. Since I wrote my query, I've since managed to get Windows Mail (WM) running perfectly on Windows 10.
    All the files including the folder that I'd created in Windows 7 were carried over to Win 10 but as WM didn't work, I deleted the lot & started over by once again creating the folder (Windows Mail), applyied "Take Ownrship" & I then copied all the files I had on a memory stick from Win 7 into that folder. I then ran the file Winmailedit.reg After that WM worked perfectly & even had on of my mail accounts already configured.
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  9. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Toledo, Ohio
    Posts : 2
    Windows Vista (32), 7 (64), 10 (64)
       08 Aug 2015 #9

    davidvh2,

    Thank you! I don't know if there is any real difference in the Windows Mail files from one generation to the next, but I suspect that something must have changed. I am satisfied with the performance of Windows Mail on Windows 7, so I may take your advice.

    A cursory look through "WinMailEdit.reg" shows many similarities to the same-named file that I got from the Windows 7 Forums. They both say "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00", too. Since I have already backed up the Windows 10 Windows Mail files, it should be a simple test to copy those from my Windows 7 drive to the Windows 10 drive.

    It just bugs me that the files are there, but the program will not start as shipped. Microsoft claims that they want to ditch PC-based mail clients, but I do not trust the World Wide Web mail clients. There is no such thing as security on "the internet". My ISP uses an IMAP mail server, but I keep my messages locally and delete those from that server. Us old fogeys are seriously reluctant to change!


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  10. Join Date : Aug 2015
    Posts : 10
    windows 10
       09 Aug 2015 #10

    noquiexis said: View Post
    davidvh2,

    Thank you! I don't know if there is any real difference in the Windows Mail files from one generation to the next, but I suspect that something must have changed. I am satisfied with the performance of Windows Mail on Windows 7, so I may take your advice.

    A cursory look through "WinMailEdit.reg" shows many similarities to the same-named file that I got from the Windows 7 Forums. They both say "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00", too. Since I have already backed up the Windows 10 Windows Mail files, it should be a simple test to copy those from my Windows 7 drive to the Windows 10 drive.

    It just bugs me that the files are there, but the program will not start as shipped. Microsoft claims that they want to ditch PC-based mail clients, but I do not trust the World Wide Web mail clients. There is no such thing as security on "the internet". My ISP uses an IMAP mail server, but I keep my messages locally and delete those from that server. Us old fogeys are seriously reluctant to change!


    I agree with you whole heartedly about security & also I don't like handling mail on the web one little bit. In fact whilst I do regularly log on to my various accounts, it's only to check out & delete any Spam. My mail is then downloaded into MY computer so I don't rely on anyone else to store it for me. I've also noticed over the years that more & more people are using free mail services (particularly gmail) & that many actually believe their only way of handling their mail IS via the web. Many have no idea what a regular e-Mail client is. I've also noticed that as the habit of using web mail has increased, so has the poor etiquette of actually forwarding mail (Fw: Fw: left on, use of CC rather than BCC & no care in deleting other folks addresses or irrelevant stuff including large blank spaces.
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